WBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[DPU3619]

Ah.  So it's a conspiracy then?  Now I understand.

[Scottatlga]

Conspiracy...maybe...maybe not, but it's still hard to believe that he hasn't won the award at least one time.

[DPU3619]

Is it really a surprise that Huffman won it ANY of the last 3 years?  Her team was undefeated in the conference last year.  Her national championship team had more overall and conference wins than any other team in 2006-07.  Was undefated in the conference again in 2005-6.  The only arugment I'll buy into on this issue over this particular time period is the 2005-06 season when OU had 21 wins after just 9 in 2004-05.  But, DePauw was 24-1 and 14-0 at the time of the announcement that year.  If DPU had OU's current record (24-3 and 12-2) in that particular season, then I believe Sattele would have won the award that year.

Even the most diehard Petey the Petrel fan has to recognize what Coach Austin Robinson has done at Centre.  They've won more games this year (19) than they have the previous 3 years combined (18).  The same is nearly true for conference games this year (10) and the last 3 years (11). 

This was a team that routinely lost by 30, 40, or even 50 to DePauw and Oglethorpe.  And to come back this year and not only play Oglethorpe to 4, but to beat DePauw is a remarkable achievement for a team that has a 101-48 loss on the ledger from not THAT many years ago.  That can't be ignored, can it?  How is that not COTY worthy?

EDIT: That and the Churchwell argument is completely irrelevant.  There are exactly 0 people who voted on the 2008 Women's COTY who voted on the 2004 Men's POTY.  Awful hard for it to be the same group of coaches when the women's coaches vote on the women's side and the men's coaches vote on the men's side.

[FlightofthePetrel]

Oglethorpe enjoyed a similar turnaround in Sattele's second season...

Lets compare the 3 years before Sattele's magical run to OU's first NCAA tournament Apperance

Total wins from '03-'05 (28)   wins in 06 (21)
Conference wins from '03-'05 (11)   wins in 06 (10)

Not only are those numbers fairly similar to Centre's but Sattele also guided his team to the NCAA tournament- Center will be watching at home.  I'm not at all saying that Coach Austin Robinson is not worthy of the award, she definitely turned around a Centre team that was not very good, I'm merely giving evidence that shows Sattele has similar credentials.

This year Sattele had just an impressive resume as ever... Preseason #2 ranked in the top 11 all season...24 wins to only 3 loses (all to teams ranked in the top 25 at some point)... another berth in the SCAC Finals as well as a NCAA tournament appearance... 100 career wins in 5 seasons.... plus he still has that killer beard!  I don't know what more a man has to do.  Then again that may be the problem- they might only give the COTY award to women...?  Regardless, Congratulations on another Wonderful season Coach Sattele and the Oglethorpe University Stormy Petrels!

EDIT: That and the Churchwell argument is completely irrelevant.  There are exactly 0 people who voted on the 2008 Women's COTY who voted on the 2004 Men's POTY.  Awful hard for it to be the same group of coaches when the women's coaches vote on the women's side and the men's coaches vote on the men's side.

I think the point Lou was trying to get across was that the SCAC as a whole looks down apon Oglethorpe with the opinion that they bring the conference down.  In their eyes it may look bad if someone from Oglethorpe were to win the POTY or COTY award... that is unless we're talking about Golf. 

[hoopsfan11]

I know that Coach Sattele is the last one to want personal recognition.  He is very much a team player, but seriously, what do you want from him???  How does he not deserve COTY at least once in the last 4 years.  The turnaround he made with OU when this group of girls were freshmen was easily as impressive if not more so than what the Centre coach has done this year.  I'm not trying to take anything away from her.  She has done a great job of turning that program back around, but Sattele has had more success turning a program around than she has.  Centre was a powerhouse in the conference several years ago.  OU never was before Sattele.  I'm sure he would much rather have a conference championship and a good run in the NCAAs, though!  Go petrels!

[DPU3619]

Oglethorpe enjoyed a similar turnaround in Sattele's second season...

Lets compare the 3 years before Sattele's magical run to OU's first NCAA tournament Apperance

Total wins from '03-'05 (28)   wins in 06 (21)
Conference wins from '03-'05 (11)   wins in 06 (10)

Not only are those numbers fairly similar to Centre's but Sattele also guided his team to the NCAA tournament- Center will be watching at home.  I'm not at all saying that Coach Austin Robinson is not worthy of the award, she definitely turned around a Centre team that was not very good, I'm merely giving evidence that shows Sattele has similar credentials.

That may be true, but that particular season, DePauw was #4 in the county entering the SCAC tourney and had all but slayed the year-in-and-year-out giant that was the Trinity Tigers (EDIT: And had won their 23rd consecutive game on the day the award was announced).  If Oglethorpe was a one loss team that was undefeated in the conference this year, then Coach Sattele would have won it going away, in my opinion.  Yeah, they have 3 losses, and yeah, they're a Top 10 team, but that's not the same as chewing up the ENTIRE conference and spitting it out, which was what DePauw did that season.  That was my original point on that particular season.  If Oglethorpe is 13-0 right now, then he's got the award.  They're not.  That probably swayed one or two votes to Coach Austin Robison.

All the NCAA appearances and the final four appearance don't matter in this award.  The last 4 years don't matter in this award.  It's not the Coach Of The Half Decade Award.  The pre-season rank doesn't matter in this award.  It's how you coach your team through the regular season, and maybe one or two more wins gets him the award.  I imagine the voting was rather close between Coach Austin Robinson, Coach Satelle, and Coach Huffman.  Let's not forget she got to 22 wins with her best player seeing a grand total of zero minutes this season.  I imagine she got a few first place votes herself.  Not many in the country who could duplicate that feat. 

I also don't particularly care what Lou's original point was, unless he feels some urge to reword it to be more informed.  To say that the same coaches who were responsible for that (which, btw, was only ONE coach) are responsible for this is a complete crock.  Obviously the men's coaches had no say in this, and furthermore,  among the coaches who voted in this year's womens' awards, there are only three coaches not named Ron Sattele who were even AROUND WHEN THAT HAPPENED.  The other three are Kris Huffman, Matt Dean and Dickie McCarthy.  Kris Huffman can't vote for herself, and is far from the type to try to win herself the award by throwing the voting.  Same goes for Dean and McCarthy.  They're two of the most honorable and highest caliber guys you'll find anywhere.  There's no fix on here, friends.  If there was, who's putting it on? Dwayne Hanberry?  Amie Bradley?  Pam Ruder?  Me?  The Easter Bunny?

[FlightofthePetrel]

[  The pre-season rank doesn't matter in this award.  It's how you coach your team through the regular season, and maybe one or two more wins gets him the award.  I imagine the voting was rather close between Coach Austin Robinson, Coach Satelle, and Coach Huffman.  Let's not forget she got to 22 wins with her best player seeing a grand total of zero minutes this season.  I imagine she got a few first place votes herself.  Not many in the country who could duplicate that feat. 

You're right... maybe a few more wins would have done it... I mean we're up to 23 now? Guess that's not good enough.  Maybe wins wasn't the deciding factor, maybe it was loses.  Centre did have a healthy 9 loses... and maybe if we could have scheduled them a 4th time they would have 10.

To be honest Wes... I think you just flat out don't like Oglethorpe and maybe even Coach Sattele for that matter.  Give some credit where credit is due and admit that Sattele should have won the award this year, he was a more deserving coach and the fact that he didn't is a shame.  If you can't do that then there's really no use in talking to you- you're just another ignorant yankee.

I also don't particularly care what Lou's original point was, unless he feels some urge to reword it to be more informed.  To say that the same coaches who were responsible for that (which, btw, was only ONE coach) are responsible for this is a complete crock. 

Care to let us know who that ONE COACH was?  Oh yeah that's right... it was the Depauw coach- how typical.

[Lou_Brown]

Wes,

Not a conspiracy...B.S.....yeah, that's about right. I know the SAME coaches did not vote for both awards. My point was the SCAC in general looks down at OU. Some on this message boards a while back even made the comments that OU should join the GSAC or some other silly conference.

And I would love to see the coach of the year vote (all votes for that matter). That would open everyone's eyes....My guess is he received 1 vote for coach of the year....maybe none last year.

and speaking of Churchwell, How was he not one of the top 10 players in the league that year on one ballot?? When someone can explain that with a rational thought, then I will apologize for all of my comments.

If your criteria for coach of the year is a turnaround year then he should have won it the FIRST year he went to the NCAA, but I thought when you go to the NCAA for FOUR straight years maybe someone can get a little bit of recognition.

[CAMP_FOLLOWER]

YOU  ARE FORGETTING WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. OUR DAUGHTERS GETTING AN EDUCATION AND LEARNING TO BE GOOD CITIZENS. OUR CONFERENCE IS JUST A REFLECTION OF OUR SOCIETY TODAY. IF SCHOOLS ARE BIG AND HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THEY FEEL THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRAMPLE THE HOPE AND DREAMS OF WHAT THEY FEEL ARE THE LESSER FOLKS. YOU GO TO THEIR HOUSE YOU HAVE TO SUFFER THRU THE MOST ONE SIDED OFFICIATING IMAGINABLE. OUR TOURNAMENT HAS BEEN A RELIEF THE OFFICIATING HAS HAD ITS MOMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COURT BUT OVERALL IT HAS BEEN FAIR. TODAY AGAIN WILL BE THE GIANT AGAINST THE LITTLE. GOOD LUCK TO BOTH.

[Ron Boerger]

Playing the "everyone hates us" card is unlikely to make anyone think more favorably about Oglethorpe.  I don't think anyone "hates" Oglethorpe and you can't help but be impressed by what both programs have done. 

Expressing an opinion contrary to the "nobody respects OU" posts here does not mean one dislikes the Stormy Petrels, who, contrary to the opinion posted by CAMP_FOLLOWER will be the favorites to win today against an opponent that has only one senior and one junior, and a very short bench. 

[pbrooks3]

I think Ron Sattele is getting his comeuppance today with what is tracking to be a SCAC title today. OU is up 10 with 6:10 left in the 1st half

[DPU3619]

You're right... maybe a few more wins would have done it... I mean we're up to 23 now? Guess that's not good enough.  Maybe wins wasn't the deciding factor, maybe it was loses.  Centre did have a healthy 9 loses... and maybe if we could have scheduled them a 4th time they would have 10.

You're completely missing my point here.  There's a reason Huffman won it in 2005 and Satelle didn't win it this year.  That's my point.  Each season is it's own different entity.  When a coach has a turnaround like Centre had this year, you almost have to run the table to win COTY.  The coaches in this league have proven that year in and year out regardless of the turnover.  It's hard enough to even compare those two years because 5 of the coaches who voted in this year's COTY award weren't even around to vote in the 2005 COTY award. 

To be honest Wes... I think you just flat out don't like Oglethorpe and maybe even Coach Sattele for that matter.  Give some credit where credit is due and admit that Sattele should have won the award this year, he was a more deserving coach and the fact that he didn't is a shame.  If you can't do that then there's really no use in talking to you- you're just another ignorant yankee.

I think Coach Sattele is a wonderful coach and an even better person to be a part of this conference.  I've had the pleasure to speak with him on several occasions and interview him a few more during my WGRE time.  I can't say anything negative about the guy and I think he knows that's how I feel.  I have the same wonderful things to say about about Katie Kulavic, Coach Ponder, Andrew Tulowitski, Russ Churchwell, Ahmad Kareem Shaheed, Coach Giordano, Hoyt Young, and all other Oglethorpe staff and faculty who I've also with.  I feel the same way about every single coach and staff member from any sport I've EVER dealt with from every single SCAC member school, and that's a pretty lengthy list. 

The thing you people have to understand is that a lot of Division III sports fans get their picture of a particular institution from the posters who represent their particular schools on this board.  The whole Oglethorpe "Woe is us!  Nobody loves us!" act gets pretty old.  In the minds of Oglethorpe posters, not the coaches, players, or staff - just you guys, you don't get beat.  You haven't honestly gotten beat in 3 years.  You've gotten screwed about 10 times with officiating, or the facilities, or the home fans were being jerks.  It's always something.  Just flat getting outplayed never happen with you guys.  Trust me, contrary to your belief, nobody's out to get you.  If you asked Coach Sattele, one of his assistants, or one of his players, I'm sure they have a different take on it than you do.

It doesn't really matter who I think should win the award because I don't get a vote.  I tried to explain to you why coaches voted for Austin Robinson, and cited previous examples of why the coaches didn't vote for Satelle in 2005.  You didn't want any of that, and that's fine.  My vote would have been for Ron Satelle, but had I of been the head coach of a SCAC women's basketball team, I probably would have been fired long before the point in the season when I would have cast my vote.

What I think is really remarkable is how Coach Austin Robinson must feel reading this discussion about how her winning the award is a load of crap and your coach is getting the royal screw job.  That's what I find to be particularly unfortunate and probably rather offensive to her.  Good luck in the dance.  If DePauw can't win it, you guys better.

[DPU3619]

and speaking of Churchwell, How was he not one of the top 10 players in the league that year on one ballot?? When someone can explain that with a rational thought, then I will apologize for all of my comments.

If your criteria for coach of the year is a turnaround year then he should have won it the FIRST year he went to the NCAA, but I thought when you go to the NCAA for FOUR straight years maybe someone can get a little bit of recognition.

It's not my place to tell you who the coach was, and I'm not going to respond to FotP's cheap shot, condescending accusation, but I've heard the same rumor from several people that one coach left him off entirely, which probably cost him the award.  I don't know why.  I agree that's it not a very cool thing to do, particular with the numbers he had.  I was just as outraged as everybody else when that award was announced.  But, that particular person didn't vote in this award.  That's my rational thought.  The best I can do.  Sorry.

The criteria you posted there is not MY criteria for the COTY award.  I'm trying to explain why the coaches voted the way they did.  If Oglethorpe had DePauw's 2005 year this year, then he wins the award.  He didn't win the award that year he turned around because DePauw had one of the best seasons in this conference's history.  If he keeps doing what he's doing, he'll win one.

Also, I say again for extreme clarity that his last four years worth of results have absolutely nothing to do with the Coach of the Year award.  It's a wonderful accomplishment, but it's not relevant to voting for this award.

[hoopsfan11]

Congratulations to the new conference champions - Stormy Petrels!!! 
All-tournament team: Krista Prado-Matthews and Danielle Hubenak from TU and Katie Kulavic, Anna Findley, and Tina Grace from OU.
Great all-around effort from the Petrels with Grace pulling out a double-double (18pts, 10 rebounds).  Findley poured in 27 points, and Kulavic had 24.  Richmann pulled down 15 rebounds. 
For Trinity, Hubenak had 21 pts and 8 rebounds.  Marzella added 17 points.  KPM was held to 10 points and 5 rebounds.

[FlightofthePetrel]

Congrats to the Lady Petrels 2009 SCAC Champions!