MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[NYBB]

Coach Plevritis isn't going to take these last few losses lightly...i see Hunter making a huge comeback charge and taking this CUNY playoff down.

[Rhodes Scholar]

York loses to CSI who had a better record. . BC lost to lower ranked opponents and thats what decides it?

That's my understanding of the rule. Don't know if it's correct. I guess we'll all know soon enough.

Coach Plevritis isn't going to take these last few losses lightly...i see Hunter making a huge comeback charge and taking this CUNY playoff down.

If the Hawks play like they did against York they could win the tournament. If they play like they did against Baruch and John Jay they'll be one and done. They're a tough team to figure out and seem to be more inconsistent than some of the others.

[NYBB]

team chemistry is a problem when you have a lot of older guys and a D1 point guard.

[Zak Ivkovic]

2008 CUNYAC/Con Edison Senior College
Men's Basketball Championships

Quarterfinals
Saturday, Feb. 16

(8) Lehman at (1) York, 1 p.m. *
(5) Hunter at (4) Baruch, 5 p.m.
(7) City Tech at (2) Brooklyn, 1 p.m. *
(6) John Jay at (3) Staten Island, 1 p.m. (Time Warner Cable - LIVE)

* NOTE: An appeal has been put forth to the CUNYAC's Standards and Ethics Committee regarding the seeding of the No. 1 and 2 positions, which may affect the pairings. Check back on this page often to view finalized information as it becomes available to cunyathletics.com.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Brooklyn has apparently appealed their #2 seeding. I'm wondering on what grounds this appeal is based upon. I don't know if that information will be made public or not. Anyway the schedule is out, albeit on a tentative basis.

Here's how the tournament teams fared against each other in the regular season (home team in bold):

#8 Lehman @ #1 York
1/9  York 70, Lehman 54

#7 NYC Tech @ #2 Brooklyn
1/3  NYC Tech 92, Brooklyn 88
1/18  Brooklyn 99, NYC Tech 80

#6 John Jay @ #3 CSI
2/6  CSI 79, John Jay 76

#5 Hunter @ #4 Baruch
1/25  Hunter 93, Baruch 80
2/7  Baruch 74, Hunter 65   

[NYBB]

I still don't see how Hunter loses so often...oh well.  we'll see what happens in the playoff

[Zak Ivkovic]

Just FYI - the seedings are correct as previously posted by me. Thanks for your understanding while we listened to some concerns from our membership. Good luck to all in the upcoming postseason and we hope to see the entire CUNYAC family at CCNY.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Here's how the teams in the CUNYAC rate according to a stat system used by Titan Q in the CCIW room:

Home win = 0 points
Home loss = - 1
Road win = + 1
Road loss = 0

Baruch: 3 (0 home losses / 3 road wins)
Brooklyn: 2 (3 home losses / 5 road wins)
CSI: 2 (1 home loss / 3 road wins)
York: 2 (1 home loss / 3 road wins)
Hunter: 1 (1 home loss / 2 road wins)
John Jay: 1 (2 home losses / 3 road wins)
NYC Tech: 0 (2 home losses / 2 road wins)
CCNY: -4 (5 home losses / 1 road win)
Medgar: -5 (5 home losses / 0 road wins)

[Danny Weismuller]

Rhodes...

What is this? And what games are they using to calulate?

[wendellladner]

I still don't see how Hunter loses so often...oh well.  we'll see what happens in the playoff

Yeah, I am a little suprised that they have struggled as well. Someone pointed out in an earlier post, no matter how good a player is, its tough to come in and completely mesh mid-way through the season, and as Rhodes pointed out they seem to be struggling with depth a little bit and the palyer turnover can be distracting.
The other thing that stands out is the defense. They are near the bottom of the conference in points allowed (nearly 80 per game), fgp against, 3 point fgp against, and i think it was something like a negative 5 or 6 rebounding margin per game. That makes it tough on the offense as there is always pressure to outscore the opponent. Come playoff time it seems like the teams with consistently strong defenses like York are in a better position to win 3 games in a row. They have a bigger margin for error and can afford a bad shooting night when the offense isn't clicking.
All that said, if Hunter gets hot and stays hot they will be a really tough out in the conference tournament. I don't think anybody is really looking forward to facing them.
Tonight's game v. Stevens could be a good indicator of their frame of mind. I hope to catch it..

[Rhodes Scholar]

Rhodes...

What is this? And what games are they using to calulate?

It's a simple formula that you can use to rank teams. You give 1 point for a road win and - 1 point for a home loss (just ignore road losses and home wins). In this instance I applied the formula to only CUNYAC games. The ratings pretty much mirrored the final standings, except Baruch moved to the top and CSI tied Brooklyn and York for second place.

Since a team should win at home you get 0 points for a home win, but -1 for a home loss. And since a team should lose on the road you get 0 points for a road loss, but 1 point for a road win.

In short, the formula rewards a team for winning on the road and penalizes a team for losing at home. Road losses and home wins are basically ignored.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Tonight's game v. Stevens could be a good indicator of their frame of mind. I hope to catch it..

It looks like the Hawks are in a bad frame of mind. Certainly no shame in losing to Stevens but Hunter hasn't looked good since beating St. Joe's. Plus, I looked at the Stevens box score and Joe DeLuca didn't play for Hunter. Will he be available for the Baruch game?

[Coach AG]

York had a good win against Ramapo last night.  I was interested in one thing from the box score though,  Phipps the Cuny rookie of the year only played 8 minutes the entire game and they were all in the first half.  Does anyone know why?  Also does anyone have any comments on the ALL-CONFERENCE selections?

[Danny Weismuller]

Also does anyone have any comments on the ALL-CONFERENCE selections?

Let's see -- Top 10 in no order... I didn't see every team play though
I'm probbaly a little biased towards the south division.... But they do hold the Top 3 seeds.

I didn't include tranfers who played 1/2 a season

Jean-Baptise - player of the year
Nesbitt
McFarlane
Hall
Phillips
Salamanaca
Mesjesz
Blackett
Kunkel
Rhoden
DeLuca
Mason

[Coach AG]

Danny the selections are on Yorks webpage already.

Baptiste was player of year with Podias coy.

1st team was I think= Mesjasz, Hall, Phillips, Salamanca and maybe Rhoden?

2nd team was I think= Wilson, Blackett, Kunkel, Mason, and Deluca who for some reason did not play against Stevens.

Phipps won newcomer of the year.

A few things that intrigue me are the fact that Tech has 2 players on the first team, Wilson made 2nd team with only half a season and Nisbett did not at least win newcomer of the year.