MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[topoftheworld]

also, about the racism comment.

it is not racist to say that york's student athletes couldn't cut it at hunter.  that is not a racist comment, as i know there are players of multiple ethnicities on that team.  i DO think it is most likely a stereotype, as i doubt that poster has any idea about the gpa's or overall intelligence of the york players.  and who knows if the hunter players are as bright as the york guys either.

[knight_life]

It has nothing to do with either team's gpa's. Its a statement to simply say that the courses at one school could be harder than ones at another. Someone could have a 4.0 at one school, yet that could only be a 3.0 at a different school depending on their academic strength.

Racial comments and stereotypes are both the same in the way they are being used on here, your assuming I'm typing York because of their ethnicity or geographical location. I'm just saying there's a good chance the players at Baruch and possibly Hunter have a harder time staying eligible because of the higher academic standards and more competitive courses they offer, than those at other schools in the cunyac.

That in part goes with what was said today as well, in that schools like Hunter are recruiting the wrong type of kids. They are bringing in guys who have a lot of talent, transfers from all levels and places, but not guys who are good academically. Rankis has done it the right way at Baruch by bringing in private school kids like the Molloy kids he has, because odds are they will have a better shot in the classroom at Baruch, than say a juco or community college transfer or a D1 leftover.

If anyone ever has the time, take a look at what sports each school is best at, and it can sometime tell you something about the school and the type of kids that do well at each school.

[gordonmann]

The one thing we do know is that St. John is the Athletic Director and his assistant coach is the assistant AD. Conflict of interest? I dono.

This is actually very common at the Division III level, particularly in the case of institutions that don't have a lot of full-time coaching positions.  Coaches do double-duty as administrators so the schools don't have to fund two positions.  Just in this conference...

- Baruch men's basketball coach Ray Rankis is the Associate AD
- CCNY baseball coach David York is the Associate AD
- John Jay baseball coach Dan Palumbo is the AD
- Lehman women's basketball coach Eric Harrison is the Assistant AD
- Medgar Evers women's basketball coach Roy Anderson is the AD
- York (NY) men's basketball coach Ronald St. John is the AD

[cunybasketball]

It is easy to build a good program when you have coaches that are being payed a full time salary... When a coach has a double duty on campus it makes it easier for him/her to focus on their team (academics, recruiting, practice, other duties, etc.) .... I am sure it must get difficult at times for part time coaches who are working their full time job off campus and then coaching at a college in the evening...There is a lot more than coaching in college sports...

Knight Life-I am glad you enjoyed the Craigslist Ref Comment..... ...

Danny W-I think your percentage for good refs in the CUNY is just a little inaccurate....And the Survey says  ::)10% are ok and are worthy of maybe officiating an AAU or even a PSAL JV game..... But College, no way....

[THE GREAT DEBATOR]

The life lessons learned from Ron St. John and the York College program go further than the classroom-Knight-life. Its Family and Frienship. If you just dare to venture out of Manhattan and come to Queens and see a York game I will tell you what you will see. You will see former players from 15-20 years ago still showing love to the York program and even parents whose children graduated from York but still come out to support.  When you go to York it's for life!! What did the little piggy say to the thumb? Who's Next!!!! Go Cardinals!!!   

[THE GREAT DEBATOR]

Knight life, can you name the more competitive courses that Hunter and Baruch offer compared to the other cunyac programs? The NCAA states all u need to stay eligible is 2.0 and if Hunter and Baruch say 2.5, then yes their academic standards are higher, but to say that York players couldn't cut it sounds racist to me because you don't even know them.  Let's keep it about BBall and leave inflammatory comments out!!!

[FROMAFAR]

I may be sorry for getting into the fray, but can someone tell me what academics and racism have to do with one another? I am not trying to be funny, I truly don't understand

[xalva66]

Racism and academics have nothing to do with one another.

Also, from my understanding, at certain CUNY schools there is open enrollment where anyone can enroll. Other schools do not have that luxury. So I think this has something to do with what Knight Life has been saying about the academics at one school in comparison to academics at another. and dont kid yourselves, certain schools push certain players through the system and through classes. To say it doesnt happen is pure ignorance.

[BklynBasketball]

That a big problem within CUNY.  Baruch and Hunter are so far superior than the other school academically.  Where in other conferences the schools play on a much fairer playing field. 

This statement is a bit off base, look at the other NYC conference, The Skyline.

In that conference you have:

Polytech and Bard which are HIGHLY competitive and very expensive.

Yeshiva, MSV, Sage and St Joe's LI who are less academically competitive than those 2 but still rather competitive and pretty expensive.

Then you have a group of SUNY schools in the league which are way less expensive, way less competitive academically and pretty much can get most players in.

The playing field is definitely not level in the Skyline.

[FROMAFAR]

Brooklyn, that makes sense...... but in CUNY why then is Baruch on top, since academically they are also on top........They have quite a few Molloy players as well as Stuyvesant graduate... Both high academis and basketball wise... lets follow this ..........

[knight_life]

Has anyone seen Staten Island at all this year, I feel they are always the one left out team on the boards?

[Rhodes Scholar]

Geez, I'm away for one day and all hell breaks loose!  This is one of those brushfires that periodically take place on the CUNY board. It's the first one this year, but there have been several others in previous years. I'm also a bit surprised that Zak didn't respond (maybe he didn't have time). Anyway a lot of the posts are entertaining, although just about all of the subject matter has been addressed before. Also, people who post should keep in mind that this is a public forum and some subjects might be handled better behind closed doors.

[Queens]

When it comes to Academics Baruch is by far the hardest school in the conference.  Just go to Baruchs website, its rated one of the top schools in the country.  The programs and classes offered at Baruch are like non other in the conference.  But like Knight Life said Rankis does a great job knowing what type of kids to recruit and from where.  Since i been following CUNY basketball the last 5+ years im yet to see an important player from Baruch fail off.   The Great Debator- go take a look at baruch business program let me know how York's matches up.   I guess you know better than US news and world report's rankings.  Just like you told Knight Life to leave Manhattan, it might be time for you to leave the great borough of Queens.

My statement is not off base about the academics bklyn, its right on the money.  Any coincidence that Skyline and CUNY are two of the lowest rated conferences in the country?  No other conference has the differences academically from school to school.  It hurts the conferences big time. The skyline is a joke of a conference this year.

Theres a reason why no one talks about staten island, because there not a good team.  Dont worry Hunter will take care of them tonight easily.  ( as you know my predictions are always right on the money )

[Danny Weismuller]

Baruch's business school is top notch, but to say Baruch and Hunter are academically superior is somewhat questionable. I think Brooklyn is pretty legit as well academically (being an alum, of course.)  Then again, it all depends on the program you are studying.

Few highlights...

Jean-Baptiste is approaching the all-time leading scorer of Brooklyn College.
Christian Montervino from CSI should get his 1,000 pt tonight.
and I believe Petosa from CSI got his 300th win recently.

The referee thing is so subjective; it's not even worth arguing.

gordonmann: I understand the necessity of having personnel with multiple positions to alleviate tight budgets. People were questioning the integrity of the program and I brought up that the checks and balances of eligibility could be compromised when you have an AD who is the coach. Not just on York's case but in all programs.

I give all the Atlantic region coaches a lot of credit.. It's not a very glamorous job. Low pay, no scholarships, low budgets, tough eligibility requirements with no incentives for the students athletes except they might get $10 in meal money for an away game, lol..

[BklynBasketball]

My statement is not off base about the academics bklyn, its right on the money.  Any coincidence that Skyline and CUNY are two of the lowest rated conferences in the country?  No other conference has the differences academically from school to school.  It hurts the conferences big time. The skyline is a joke of a conference this year.

When i said it was off base my point pertained to you limiting the discrepency to the CUNY. I was just demonstrating how other conferences, such as the skyline deal with the same issues. I wasnt disagreeing withy ou, just tweaking what you said a bit.

Additionally, I dont think the Skyline is a joke this year...maybe youve seen more games than me.

Brooklyn, that makes sense...... but in CUNY why then is Baruch on top, since academically they are also on top........They have quite a few Molloy players as well as Stuyvesant graduate... Both high academis and basketball wise... lets follow this ..........

I think Baruch is one of the stronglocal teams due to their recruiting. They have kept a core of guys, all good players and im sure good guys, together and have demonstrated success. This is a blueprint I would like to see more local d3 teams follow. Rankis is a guy who polarizes people, some love em some dont, but he has done a helluva job at Baruch, regardless. You have to give him respect.