MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[BubbaChuck3]

To both Zak & Debator:

Please read what I said before making an ill advised statement against it. I did not say anything that was an inclination of Marcel's lack of intelligence. I paid the kid a compliment saying that he is way too good for this conference, and if you can find someone who disagrees with me, I'd love to meet him. This kid can and should be playing, on FULL scholarship mind you, somewhere much better than York. As should Baptiste be somewhere much better than Brooklyn.

Zak:
As I have seen players much worse than Marcel goes D1 or D2, yes I find it hard to believe that he chose York just to get a degree. It could have been the fact that he  is from another country, yet still people like Thabeet were found. As was Majok that is now at UConn. Not to suggest that Marcel can play at that level, but simply to emphasize the fact that had Marcel played a year at a prep school or well known JuCo that we may very well be watching him play on CBS in the NCAA tourney in March rather than waiting two weeks to watch him play on the CUNY channel...
I'm also 99% positive Marcel would relish the opportunity to play basketball 24/7/365 (366 in leap year Zak) than obtain his CUNY degree and venture out into the workforce.

[D3Guru]

Zak,
Can you tell me why the refs in the CUNY are so bad?  Zak, give me your honest opinion, do you think that most of the CUNY refs are competent of referring a college basketball game?  Yea, I know they may be certified, know the rules and have the mechanics down; anyone is capable of memorizing an officiating book with the college basketball rules. But, when it comes to calling a game, a majority of the refs are clueless and just awful.  I think you or whoever is responsible for assigning the refs should reevaluate about 80% of them for next year. 

[Pat Coleman]

Is it not a fact that most of the private schools in the nation will accept a kid, any kid, if he can walk, chew gum and pay the $35-40,000 annual tuition?

No. It's not a fact at all. That's an interesting accusation to throw out here.

[Coach AG]

Zak you are 100% right I should not have said that about Marcel , he is probably a good student.  I apologize.  I typed  the comment before I thought it out.  My comment should have been more about my belief that York can get anyone elgible to play for their program.  It has been built on transfers and Juco players.  I still have a fishy feeling on the transfer of Denis Echols 3 years back.  My personal opinion is if you asked other coaches around the league if the York program is legit with the focus on academics and graduating they would tell you otherwise.

Zak on another note could you explain the CUNY alumni game more?

[Queens]

Only reason it was brought up was because of his talent and athletism.  I dont know how grades or anything like came up.  His athletism is D1 quality, if he was from this country he would without a doubt be a division 1 player, he just didnt have the exposure.  RJB doesnt get questioned for being at BC because hes not a D1 player, where i think Marcel is.  Stop with the grades stuff on here.  Its not the place for it.

Yea Zak Ballsy comment on the private schools will take anyone who can pay 35,000-40,000 a year.  As you expected more from Coach AG, we all expect more from you.  Thats a ridiculous comment from someone of your position. 

Also if Marcel had the oppertunity to play D1 he would have.  Free tutition.  And to Zaks comment on maybe he didnt want to play basketball 24/7.  I'm willing to wager Marcel plays overseas after college.  Debator you disagree that he will be overseas playing pro ball after next season?

[Coach AG]

I noticed Marcel has a brother playing at Queens CC.  Does anyone know if his game is similiar. Interested to see if he lands at York next year.

[BubbaChuck3]

Queens:

Have to disagree with you here. Marcel is without a doubt a D1 athlete. However, I feel that RJB would certainly be able to play D1 in a conference such as the NEC. He is a very versaitaile player that can score in just about anyway and certainly could dominant defensively if he put in the effort. I think it would be foolish to say he is not talented enough to play at the right Division I.

That being said, I certainly think it was extremely careless of Zak to say suggest something so reckless. As an authority figure and the head of our conference he should be embarrassed of himself for saying something like that.

[Coach AG]

     I agree Bubba, RJB could mos def play at more than a few D1 schools.  Me living on Staten Island I know Wagner could use him right now.  He is a very skilled offensive player.

[topoftheworld]

i agree with queens about baptiste.  In my mind not a d1 player.  by that, of course i mean a scholarship player.  His game would get eaten up by d1 defenders.

I honestly am not so sure marcel is a d1 player.  His athleticism is obviously top notch.  Pro level even.  But Ive seen him play a few times, and he is not even a good finisher unless he can dunk it.  Ive seen him miss lay ups on a constant basis.  when you level the field with his size and athleticism, he would STRUGGLE to be effective.  it isn't like he is a cerebral player, he plays off instinct.  he is able to be so effective because he can just help off all of the big men at the d3 level and block shots.  there are exceptions, but for the vast majority, d3 bigs either don't have the size to give him problems, or the skills.  The d1 guards will see his help, and the d1 bigs will take advantage of his raw defensive skills. 
I think he could probably get a spot on a d1 team, because coaches go crazy about size and athleticism.  but really his game is not d1 ready.

[THE GREAT DEBATOR]

Marcel had another triple double today vs Lehman: Stat line:
26pts/18rebs/10 blocks. York wins by 32.. Playoff time... Good luck to all.This Thursday is the Cuny Awards. Can't wait to see who gets what: My predictions:
MVP-Marcel
1st Team
RBJ
Lionel Hiliare
George Kunkel
Vaughn Mason
Rocco Rubino
Nick Hamilton-Lopez
2nd Team
Gabriel Davis
Jordan Young
Ronald Holloway
Xavier Garvin
John Amil
Ryan Exum
Rookie of Year: Eric Klingsberg

Bert Beagle Award: George Kunkel
Coach of Year: Chris Pursoo- Medgar Evers

Here are the match-ups for Saturday Feb. 20th
#1 York vs. #8 CCNY
#2 BC vs. #7 Lehman
#3 Baruch vs. #6 CSI
#4 Hunter vs. #5 Medgar Evers

Top 4 have home games!!!! Who makes it to 2nd round?

Any upsets?

[Queens]

RJB would get eaten alive by D1 defenders, hes not quick enough and hes 6'3 tops.  Hes not a D1 player, he might be able to walk on somewhere but hes not making it at the division 1 level.  You take any d1 scholorship player and there doing what he does in CUNY if not more. 

Forget about offense, Marcel is getting rebounds and blocking shots in D1.  I've seen him at Fireball tournament which is a pro league during the summer ( Many NBA players and high d1 players play in this tournament) and he has done more than hold his own.  Also in a D1 program they would have worked on his skills alot more and he would be much more polished. 

Got to give more respect to d1 teams and players.  They are bigger faster and stronger than d3 players.  They are legit

[topoftheworld]

yea, but queens, i've read your posts and respect your knowledge.  would you compare this summer league, to a college game?  while the talent might be high, the organization and game planning i am sure is not the same.  and in those respects, i think he would be more exposed.

[Coach AG]

There are a ton of D1 schools right now who are not high profile.  Are you telling me he could'nt play at a school like Byrant, Wagner or NJIT  just to name a few.  If you think he can't just watch one of their games 1 time.

[Queens]

Obviously its a not a college game in that respect but theres big time players in there.  Many NBA players and high d1 guys and he fit right in.  Its a pretty well run league with all of good players. ( saw nate robinson drop 50 in a game) Offensively in d1 hes still just a dunker but he would play because of his rebounding and shot blocking.

Yea i mean when you wanna throw Byrant and NJIT in the mix yea i guess he could play for those teams but thats not saying that much.  I dont think hes a d1 player, he lacks the athletism, just my opinion.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Here's the final +/- for the regular season:

1. York +6
2. Baruch +5
3. Brooklyn +4
4. Medgar +2
5. Hunter +1
6. CSI -1
7. Lehman -2
8. CCNY -3
9. John Jay -5
10. NYC Tech -6

The formula is as follows:

Home win = 0
Home loss = -1
Road win = 1
Road loss = 0