MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[Queens]

I didnt say Baruch SHOULD have made it, i said they must be kicking themselves because they were one maybe two wins away from making the tournament.  Losing to William Patterson in Double OT and Stevens in OT.  Thats all.

All i said was only reason Guerin scored 1000 pts is because he averaged 17 his first year.  Thats over 400 pts in one year and 600 in 3 years ( with postseason games the last 3 years.)  Lets not go crazy over Guerin.   Hes a nice role player and is a 1000pt scorer because he played on a terrible team his first year. 

Also athletism is not what wins games in d3.  I think its safe to say brooklyn will be more athletic than SJF.  Amil John will be the most athletic player on the floor (he is 95 percent of the time) but they will still lose. 

BubbaChuck(and anyone else who cares to comment):

Whose better?


Hamilton Lopez or Nesbit? Exum or Guerin? Evilyn or Guerin? Come on York is more talented Brooklyn just won the game.  They come up big at CCNY in big games. Its a credit to them. As far as them being more talents i dont Think so

[BubbaChuck3]

John is better than Exum... Guerin could put up Evelyn's numbers if he took the amount of shots Evelyn did... Queens, answer this.. Who is better Cudjoe or Wilkinson? Russell or Fuller? Hemingway or Simon?

[Queens]

Your crazy about Guerin being better than Evelyn.   Evelyn is a real good player that i dont think gets featured enough because of Hamilton Lopez and Marcel.    You mean to tell me if you making picks for your team your taking Guerin over Evelyn?  Come on Bubba.

Russell  comes in for maybe 10 minutes, doesnt do much but chase after the ball.  Cudjoe is better than Wilkinson for sure.  Love Cudjoes game he is one of the main reasons for Brooklyns success makes all the hustle plays.  Exum is better than you give him credit.  He plays a solid point and guards the other teams best player.    Hemingway is another nice bench player.  But lets not argue about guys playing 15 minutes a game. 

Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree. 

[BubbaChuck3]

guess so. Brooklyn won the game the other night because they have a bench..York doesnt. And when talking in terms of talented teams, its necessary to speak on all players.. Also, get your facts straight Guerin did not avg 17 as a freshman... And looking at season stats, Russell shot 100 fts off the bench this yr.. Sounds like he does more than chase the ball.

[sjfcards]

Thanks for a great game tonight Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a very good team, and I think will be a up and coming team in the future. Congrats on winning the league this year, and I hope to see you again next year.

[Queens]

Brooklyn will not be winning the championship next year, i cant almost garentee you that.  Inless Baptiste has a 17 year old brother about to go to college, Podias will go back to his usual ways, which is losing.

[BubbaChuck3]

queens:

looking forward to the days you don't hate on Brooklyn immensely... Brooklyn still returns a nice core, centered around Amil John... While they are nott to be considered the favorite, they will still be an upper tier team in the league and be highly competitive...

Your boys at York are losing 3 important seniors in Lopez, Exum and Doughboy... And unlike Brooklyn, they don't have much of a bench to step in and make an impact...

If Baruch could find someone to replace Kunkel, they could be dangerous

[Queens]

Podias 108-192 before baptiste.  And its not like he recruited baptiste either, kid just showed up on campus as a transfer after being kicked off Farmingdales team.

Lets not make it like Brooklyn is some powerhouse program.  They got lucky and a tremedous player showed up on campus.  Back to reality for Brooklyn.  Amil John is a first team all conference player but who else? This great bench your talking about will be put to the test next year. 

I'm amazed Podias lasted that long as Head Coach with a record like that.  He owes Baptiste big time because theyll never fire him now. 

[BubbaChuck3]

also have to remember Brooklyn's struggles back when I was there in the mid 90's.. Podias picked up a program from the ground up, which is never an easy thing... Only 4 coaches in CUNY have winning career records (St. John,Petosa,Rankis, & Schulman).. 3 of them have been at their schools for 20 plus yrs...
Yes Baptiste had a lot to do with the recent success, but fact of the matter is Brooklyn is back on the map per say...  they will still be very competitive and I dont expect Podias to have a bad season anytime soon... But you and I have been known to disagree...

[Danny Weismuller]

Brooklyn will not be winning the championship next year, i cant almost garentee you that.  Inless Baptiste has a 17 year old brother about to go to college, Podias will go back to his usual ways, which is losing.

Harsh words and some uncharacteristically poor grammer as well??
Spend some time at the Rockaway St. Patty's day parade today?

I cant say who will be a favorite for next year... looks wide open. BC will definetly be a contender in the South. Marcel will be POY again but Bubba is right that the supporting casts are questionable. Brooklyn's core is gone but John, Hemmingway, Russell, Cudjoe, and Purisec are a nice returning group plus maybe the JUCO Kingsborough kid becomes eligible.

And on the Podais tip.. i think the tide has changed a bit... a few winning seasons, a nice facility, and a steady core staff of assistant coaches will, in my opinion, keep this program successful going forward.

[swingO]

For the record Queens, Podias recruited Baptiste out of St. John's Prep and rescued him from a JUCO in Texas where he left unhappy and disillusioned as he has always said in the print media. But since you are not big on facts, and maybe you can't read, perhaps that York education of yours failed you once again. Podias appreciates what Baptiste has done for him and BC, and the reverse is also true. As far as the losing prior to Baptiste, Podias build the program from nothing in 1995, and was not even allowed to participate in the CUNY tourney due to NCAA regulations untill 1999, when Brooklyn became a full-fledged dIII member. Everyone knows how hard it is to recruit when you are not allowed to play for anything for 4 years and then there is how hard it is to get into Brooklyn. York doesn't really stop anyone at the academic door as has been well documented here before. Then the few players Podias got in the early part of this decade when the team was struggling would be academically ineligible before they got to play in 80% of the CUNY schedule. Show me teams in the last few years in CUNY that have had All-Stars on teams that lost 20 games or in that vicinity.
There were never players declared academically ineligible at York or CSI or even Baruch during that time span. CCNY had some nice players and won two chips which proves that coaches need good players to win. So now Podias gets Guerin, Baptiste, Nisbett, John, Russell, Hemingway, Cudjoe, Purisic among others, keeps them together for years and builds a succcessful program and you can't SEE that Queens!                                                                                       

[swingO]

   Just to continue and put the Brooklyn and Podias hating to bed, in the last two CUNY FINALS, where BROOKLYN was the lower seed and therefore the underdog, and Brooklyn was up against Queens' favorite team and legendary coaches Rankis and St. John, Brooklyn had no points from Baptiste at halftime, yet they led by six and went on to win by 20 points against an undefeated CUNY team. This year Baptiste vs. York gets his fourth foul with almost 13 mins. to go, sits on the bench and Brooklyn increases the lead until Baptiste gets back with five to go as Brooklyn won again. You call that bad coaching QUEENS! You Say Brooklyn only has Baptiste! These are facts, not ridiculous HATING commentary. How would you like to have two CUNY Championships Back-to Back won against superior teams  as you allege. By the way did Brooklyn lose to Fisher by more than double-digits as you predicted? You are such a WRONG GUY, you should be removed from this Board, especially since everything you say is motivated by HATE, and NOT reality.

[Queens]

SwingO or should i call you Steve or would you prefer Mr. Podias? ( lets make ridiculous claims because apparently im a York Graduate, thats news to me)

So steve was your record not 108 and 192 before Baptiste came to Brooklyn? Is Baptiste not the best player in the region? Did he not score 30 points in the championship game this year?  Did he not score 19 points in the 2nd half of the championship game the previous year?

How is it not an absolute fact that Brooklyn relies on RJB?  Hes kobe bryant, lebron, whoever you want to call him.   Everyone gameplans for him and they try everything possible to stop him, this makes everyone else better.   True or False SwingO? 

As far as the Fisher game, brooklyn should have won that game.  They were a better team than Fisher.  But who has Brooklyn beat out of conference that was any good this year?  I said i would be surprised if it wasent a 10 point win, and yes i was suprised.  But Brooklyn still lost, why would i think they were going to win.  They beat no one out of conference.

Hunter and Baruch are probably the favorites next year.  Who knows who York will pick up, they always seem to reload.  Brooklyn will be solid, but not championship team. 

[Queens]

Baruch spanks York 93-70

Hilaire MVP of ECAC.

[swingO]

      First of all, I don't hide who I am as you bravely do, nor was I even intending to post until it was obvious that you have directed venom at me  and my program. I probably will not have to post anymore,because my players past and present will deal with the poison that comes from your pen. I tried to articulate for you the differences in building a program with no team as a part-time coach(which i still am)Rankis and St. John are full-time and have been for a while. Since you took shots at me and my team at least read everything and understand it and not just about the record. I dont deny anything about what Richard means to me and the program, and my record prior to Baptiste was hindered by some of he things mentioned in the previous post. So, should I be nasty and say Rankis is 1-3 in CUNY title games,in over 30 years, or St. John is 3-8  In CUNY FInals, while I'm 2-0 in the 11 years I was allowed to play in the tourney?  You made the posting ugly and when you got called out on it you got nasty. And it seems once again that you ignore facts and only use whateer you find to suit you. So here's another. Brooklyn beat Old Westbury, NJCU and Widener out of conference this season, the last two away. Now i'm truly sorry about the York remark, my fellow posters were of the opinion that you may be a York graduate.  I truly respect and enjoy coaching against Rankis and St. John, Petosa and Fenn, Stampfel and Schulmann, Plevritis and Pursoo, and Winston. Since I believe no one should just throw hate around for no good reason, I think you should restrict your remarks to players and not take shots at programs. I will always be close to Baptiste for everything he meant to me and the program, but his supporting cast was better than you would ever imagine.