MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 1/16

Brooklyn 77, Lehman 70
CSI 72, NYC Tech 64
Hunter 85, Medgar Evers 75 (OT)
John Jay 76, NYC Tech 64
York 71, CCNY 51

CUNYAC Standings

Brooklyn 5-2
York 5-2
CSI 4-2
Hunter 4-2
Baruch 4-3
John Jay 4-3
Lehman 3-4
NYC Tech 3-4
CCNY 2-5
Medgar Evers 0-7

[Danny Weismuller]

Rhodes is correct.

Echols did transfer after his Junior season to finish his senior year at York. I don't know what to think of intraseason conference transfers. CUNY is actually one school system as it is the "City University of NY".
So maybe that's why it is more acceptable? I don't think it would have been a big deal if it wasn't one of the better players in the league with Weismuller.
Looks like it has helped both teams as CSI has looked very good since Weismuller's departure. No one has mentioned the recent CSI transfer, Brian Ameneiros from Nazareth college. He has played well and gave them another scoring threat around the perimeter after losing their starting small forward Christian Montervino due to academic eligibility.

[Pat Coleman]

Just a clarification for all regarding the intra-conference transfers. Only 5 conferences in the nation in Division III have some sort of a rule that prohibit such actions and CUNYAC is not one of them - yet.

Interesting. So 35 conferences permit it, rather than the 1 conference that the local newspaper assumed.

Freshprospective (should that be perspective?) certainly has an interesting angle on this, huh?

[Wisdom Is The Key]

Echols did leave csi after his jr year do anybody know why? but when he left i feel he was one of the most dominate player in the cuny. sean left this year because he wasnt happy. now on brooklyn roster i feel he can help them win a cuny title this year, but lets wait and see about that. like i said before the conference is wide open this yr and york has to defend their chip from last season and they are right in the mix again this yr. i really have to say that coach ron st john has finally turn his program in to a cuny power but with all the new faces this yr in the cuny lets see if york can win it all. i really dont know who can win because the cuny is wide open and any team can win on any night. lets not forget that ccny won the title before as the last seed, and this yr the last seed is just as good as the first so lets see!

[Coach AG]

As a former player and coach in the CUNY I feel it is time for me to voice my opinion on all that has been going down in the conference.  First of all before I start it should be noted that the CUNY is unlike many other leagues as the teams in it have different educational standards in which the players have to live up to.  So this means a freshman with a 70 average in HS may be able to play at York but perhaps may be inelgible at Baruch.  This means not all teams are able to recruit on the same level.  This is my first knock on the CUNY.  My second is that I know for a fact that some schools allow students to change a letter grade of an "D" to a pass/fail mark which can greatly effect gpas and elgiblity.  Not fair to schools who dont have this in their system and require student-athletes to maintain a 2.5.  My third knock is the inability of the CUNY to regulate transfers from other schools.  For example I know for a fact that Dennis Echols was inelgible when he left CSI and for some odd reason was able to play at York last year when he was never cleared by CSI which is a NCAA rule.  If this is able to happen with in conference transfers just think of all the players who slide in under the rader from out of conference teams.  Rules are broken!!!!  I also know that it is a rule that a college coach can not talk to another college player until he clears it with the current school that the player is attending, like his coach.  That happens all the time and just did with Weissmuller and nobody does anything about it.  Coaches should have respect for their fellow collegues in order to help make the league develope.  The bottom line is the Cuny has to do a better job of  monitoring roster turnover from not only year to year but also during the middle of the year.  They should also look to devise a elgibility scale that is appicable to all the teams in the conference because it is not fair that teams like York have not had a single player become inelgible in the 9 years I have followed the conference.  Much more to say but I will start with this and everyone can respond.  Good luck to Baruch and CSI who are in my opinion the only schools in the CUNY who try and do things the right way.

[Pat Coleman]

First of all before I start it should be noted that the CUNY is unlike many other leagues as the teams in it have different educational standards in which the players have to live up to. 

This is not uncommon at all, either. Think about it -- there are only a few leagues where the schools even all belong to the same educational system: CUNYAC, NJAC, SUNYAC, MASCAC, WIAC ... most of the public school leagues but not all. That leaves about 35 other leagues in which the schools have no common academic affiliation whatsoever.

[Pat Coleman]

I also know that it is a rule that a college coach can not talk to another college player until he clears it with the current school that the player is attending, like his coach.

This is also not true. In Division III, student-athletes can clear themselves, also known as the self-release program.

[Wisdom Is The Key]

coach ag i wonder how do u know for a fac that echols was not cleared to play? how did he get his transcript from csi in that case. i was told by a good source that echols left csi for family reasons, and that he completely withdraw from school right after they loss in the cunyac playoffs. so if echols did withdraw from csi completely means he didnt have any grades posted for that spring semester. therefore if he didnt have any grades then york was able to use his grades from that frist semester that he played at csi but am really not to sure. but i know he was on the court for csi because i saw him play so can anybody clear this up because i really dont think echols or york did anything wrong, he left at the end of his jr seanson and who knows he could have went to any school but he went home so why bring up echols i feel that both parties didnt do anything out of place. not like sean who left in the middle of the season now thats is a problem between csi and brooklyn.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Prior to the policy of open admissions, which was implemented in the early 1970s, Brooklyn, CCNY and Hunter were all very good schools. After open admissions, the CUNY system as a whole went downhill. Then in the late 1990s, CUNY began to upgrade academically. This was the right thing to do. Now Baruch, Brooklyn and Hunter are all moving in the right direction and are much stronger academically than they would have been otherwise. CCNY is beginning to garner some respect once again in engineering, math and science as well. The other schools have stayed more or less the same or have improved slightly. There's absolutely nothing wrong with different schools within the same conference having different academic standards.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Four conference games today:

Brooklyn (5-2) @ NYC Tech (3-4)
John Jay (4-3) @ York (5-2)
Lehman (3-4) @ Hunter (4-2)
Medgar Evers (0-7) @ Baruch (4-3)

[swingO]

 Fresh Perspective and Pat Coleman deserve kudos for pointing out the flaws in Coach AG's "cheap shot" at Brooklyn College where he himself played, graduated and coached and was always treated well by Coach P. One could ask why Coach AG left CSI to play and graduate at Brooklyn,but We won't stoop to that level. He also played with the older Weismuller in his Senior Season. By the way, leveling accusations at people without knowing the facts and the current NCAA rules is not a way to do business. In fact there is an article in December from the Staten Island Advance which articulated the fact that Weismuller's transfer was done properly between the two schools and Jason Fein(CSI AD) was actually quoted as saying as much. Coach AG has always been a class act, but his post was wrong and somewhat hateful.

[Coach AG]

Coach P this was not a shot at Brooklyn College.  This was simply addressing the fact that other coaches in the conference do break rules and talk to other teams players without giving the current coach the respect.  No cheap shot intended.  I just am curious why Coach Podias never contacted Coach Petosa and still has not done so.  As far as me leaving CSI for BC it was because of the Physical Education program.  But we are not talking about reasons a player transfers.  Also this is not to diss Echols, but if all of you out there can honestly look in the mirror and say that there is not any funny business going on in the CUNY you are blind.

[Wisdom Is The Key]

so now tell us coach ag why is all of these players leaving csi to attend other school maybe there something going on with that program, within two season they lost two great player who seem to have it made at csi but left. you use to coach there can you explain why this is happen. but if the cuny is allowing this thing to happen it must be right.  and plus nobody had profit that any coach was the reason why a player wanted to leave. i know a few of the players including dennis and sean i heard there side of the storie now i would like to hear yours. so please inform us

[Danny Weismuller]

good point wisdom...

although CSI is notoriously a pretty solid program... and they have had the same coach..

[knight_life]

I'm still hurting from laughing so hard at this comment that Baruch does things legit. They cheat in so many ways in so many sports, its just a joke to even put them in a list of school's doing things the right way.