MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[D.Echols aka Dblock]

I see that the Cuny board is really hott right now. Any of the Top five teams in the cuny can win the championship this year. look at the standing this year compared to last year that speaks for it self. we dominate mostly every team we played last yr while i was at york, me and boone controlled alot of the game, this year york team i feel has alot more balance overall, but so does brooklyn, hunter, baruch and csi. coach ag you happy player but i still feel that york has the upper hand i mean we won last year. and we are right there this yr as well. not to take anything away from any team this year.

[Zak Ivkovic]

Sorry I didn't get to reply earlier but I will say that quite a few folks are posting things on here that are rather far from reality.

1. Too many assumptions - unless you KNOW, please don't post things that make no sense. There were too many to name. Aside from Dennis Echols leaving after his junior year from CSI to York, very little else made sense.

2. Academic standards in CUNY - take a look at the Tier 1 schools in CUNY; they are comparable and tougher to get in then most of our competitors in the Northeast... + far too many schools recruit student-athletes to fulfill their enrollment, therefore as long as the kids can pay they are in...often times academics are secondary.
Also, CUNY conference is a rarity in D3 as we REQUIRE every SA to have a minimum of a 2.0 GPA from start to finish. Wins and losses count, but in the classroom first.

3. Turnover in CUNY - it's very true. Why? We have 65% of our kids that work at least 20 hours a week. That means that they are supporting their education and sometimes family...sports are a way to keep their mind and body in tune, not something they do 24/7 as they may on campuses with dorms and no responsibilities aside from school and their sport.

4. Rhodes makes a good point on the FT coaches and we are working on changing that.

5. Transfers - Like any piano player, debate team member or Student Gov't member on any campus, our kids can choose where they want to go to school and should be free to do so within reason. Clearly knowing the rules helps (self-release as Pat mentioned) and hopefully they can do so in between academic years and not be influenced by anyone to do so otherwise. Any proof to the contrary would be detrimental to someone's employment opportunities in our league.

6. Scheduling - If you pay attention to the schedules of our teams, you will see Baruch, CCNY, Hunter, John Jay, Lehman, CSI and York playing some of the best teams from around the country and traveling to play them. We are not shy about going out and playing the best as this is not your father's CUNY. True, our record over the past 20 years is not one littered with trips to Salem, but life is about moving forward and learning from history.

I look forward to seeing the 4 best teams at CCNY on Feb. 19th...and all of you, including Pat.

[Pat Coleman]

Zak,

I'd love to, but I'm back in Northern Virginia. Not in Fairfield County anymore.

[swingO]

     You know that people seem to care more about who is who on this broad than what is being said, so for the record swingO and Defense are related and one is an alumnus of Brooklyn College. So there for all you CSI-NY fans-I hope you make it on television, but for the record Brooklyn doesn't deserve to get bashed by Xalva every chance he gets because in the place where it counts, the court , without Weismuller, Brooklyn beat Hunter by 19 points!!!!!!! So much for non-conference! Hunter didn't beat CSI or York yet ,and Brooklyn beat both! Since the size of the Court argument didn't work, I guess Xalva needs to be a snoop. By the way Xalva, I actually know who you are, but I'm not classless like some who write on this board. By the way, at The College of New Jersey-Brooklyn 76 CNJ 60

[CityD3]

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and brooklyn's last two non-conference games are against St Joes of Brooklyn (5-10) and SUNY New Paltz (6-7). When talking about brooklyn please do not reference any overall record. It is very deceiving. Therefore, we go back to the 6-2 cuny record (even though the Brooklyn College Website has it listed as 7-1), which is among 4 or 5 other CUNY teams. There is no clear favorite. Plain and simple.
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you cant hold the non conference schedule against Brooklyn. Based on their track record, brooklyn has struggled within conference so they schedule a weaker non conference schedule so their record isn't totally abysmal...with that being said St. Joes usually plays them in close games, but it  does look like they are struggling this year and SUNY New Paltz beat john jay already this year so they are not as soft as their record....when the smoke clears its gonna be brooklyn and hunter..I dont wanna hear about issues of chemistry with hunter because of a "new transfer"...once again marlon smith played in the BIG TEN two years ago THE BIG TEN!!!!

[BubbaChuck3]

Xalva Xalva Xalva,

The fact that you took time out of your obviously empty life, to look up the collaborative record for schools Brooklyn has beaten in out of conference games, further accentuates the fact that you are a COMPLETE and UTTER LOSER. Who does that? You had to sit at your computer for a cute little period of time and calculate the records. I am quite sure that you could have found something better to do with your time than that, but hey that is just my opinion.
Anywhoozile,  you looked up that cute little stat of yours, and its fine, brings up a valid point, and the point is not what you think it is. The point that you have made so apparent is that you are TERRIFIED for your Hawks, so much so that you continually belittle Brooklyn at every turn, just let the season play out man. It's a great thing for basketball, you are shaking in your boots about Brooklyn, cutting them down at every turn, you better worry about your Hawks getting where they need to go before hand, they still have to take care of their CUNY business first, two games against Baruch are going to be pretty interesting.
  At the end of the day, all that matters is the CUNY record, because Hunter is not getting an at large bid to the NCAA tournament because they got their asses handed to them by Manhattanville.
     
So Xalva, my main man, my dog.. RUFF RUFF...
  Be a fan, stop trying to be a coach or a scout because you do not have the basketball intelligence for either position. Enjoy the rest of the season, go to the games in your eccentric outfits, buy a foam finger and get your popcorn ready, because it is gonna be one hell of a stretch run.

And on those cold lonely nights where Hunter is not playing, and you get the urge to spend meaningless hours, looking up stats no one cares about, do us all a favor, and hop on the train and go catch the Knick game or something, go shout things at those NBA players, look up the Knicks record vs the Raptors on Wednesdays or something, another stat that is meaningless, and nobody will EVER, EVER, EVER.. care about..
And if all else fails, and you feel you need a friend.. you can call on me buddy old pal..

[Pat Coleman]

Two things:

1) Marlon Smith last played in the Big 10 in 2004-05, which is three years ago. Last Big 0 game was Jan. 5, 2005.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/gamelog?playerId=15348&year=2005

2) People realize that their e-mail addresses are on their posts, right? That's in the Terms of Service, which you're supposed to read, etc.

[NYBB]

haha Marlon Smith dropped 33 and 6 at one point in 04/05 playing for Penn State and was scoring 14 regularly and now he's playing in the CUNY for Hunter...that's an absolute joke.  If he can't dominate this league and if Hunter can't win with him, 25 year old Gerard (who is a good guy and an even better shooter), DeLuca, Dodd & Millien (all old), I have no idea what's wrong with the world.

Was he a mid-season transfer btw?  Because if he was, then people complaining about Weismuller transferring should really look into this one

[NYBB]

Let me just add that Hunter should've kept Patrick Phillips on their team because he might have been one of the better players in CUNY this year.  The turnover on their roster from 06'07 to this year was 2 guys...Lance Evans and Lee Almoncay, and i don't even think they're on the squad right now.

[xalva66]

I dont get it. I bring FACTS into the discussion and then I get bombarded with insults. I mean its great that Brooklyn beat CSI and York but they also lost John Jay and NYCCT. Again those are facts. And by the way, it didnt take me an hour to get all of those records. I just looked at the Brooklyn College schedule and saw all of those teams. In the past, those teams have been weak. It took a big 5 minutes to get all of those records on D3Hoops.Com (this site is top notch).

Bubba Chuck3,
I wish Brooklyn the best of the luck on the rest of the season. Facts are facts, Brooklyn has a weak out of conference schedule. They have convincing wins against CSI and York (which was a very early season game) but lost to NYCCT and John Jay. Therefore, at this time, they are not the clear favorite.

[Danny Weismuller]

Coach AG....check your aol email...

[Danny Weismuller]

I figured the anonymity was becoming a bit tacky.

Looking forward to the final stretch for the last month. I'm still not sold on a clear cut favorite. Especially since I haven't seen the new kid from Hunter.

I don't know if everyone is aware but it is my understanding that the first round of the playoffs will be hosted by the top 4 seeds... I think that's great. Right now, Hunter, CSI, York, and BC would all get home games.
I was talking to Zak earlier in the season about using CCNY as the location again for the tourney. That was probably my least favorite gym in CUNY. But from his standpoint, he had some solid reasons. All for the betterment of the conference, so I couldn't necessarily oppose his position.

I do like the home games though, it's a great touch which gives the conference games that much more meaning.

[xalva66]

This new format is news to me. I always thought that the CUNYs bounced from one venue to another every year. So, the top 4 teams will get home court advantage in the first round? How does the seeding take place, do the top 2 teams of each division get the 1 and 2 seed.

I think too many people are sleeping on Baruch.

[Danny Weismuller]

I'm pretty sure it's true.
I don't know the logistics of it all but it used to be a rotating host site. I think CUNY thinks CCNY is a great place to host the tournament because of the fan capacity, which i think is probably the most in CUNY.

And I don't think you could ever sleep on Baruch... they have some monsters on their team. I would say they are the biggest team in CUNY. I just think they are lacking a little bit of athleticism in certain positions which can hurt them. But that's my opinion. They also lost to CSI, York, and BC. But as we have seen in the past, anything can happen in the tourney.

[Zak Ivkovic]

That would be correct Danny.

Top four teams overall (best conference records, regardless of the division) will host quarterfinal games in their own gymnasiums, with the semifinals and finals taking place at CCNY. The reasons are various, all in the best interest of the event moving forward in a positive direction, although we have heard the complaints about the slippery floor at CCNY and will do our best (under the circumstances) to alleviate those concerns.

Come to the event, see for yourself and I am looking forward to the positive and negative feedback from one and all. We want to continue to get better and your input helps.