MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[NYBB]

wow, Hunter really laid an egg against Baruch....it was almost as bad as the Shaq trade for Phoenix.

[xalva66]

Hunter shot 5-17 from the free throw line.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Baruch 74, Hunter 65

Baruch
Tammer Farid  18 pts
Phil Schatz  13 pts
Adrian Serrano  11 pts

Hunter
Marlon Smith  18 pts
Justin Antes  11 pts
Joe DeLuca  10 pts

This game was competitive pretty much until the last minute or so. Hunter simply couldn't get it done in crunch time. Farid, Schatz and Serrano all hit big shots down the stretch. Nice win for Baruch, as it puts them in a tie with Hunter at 8-4.

Hunter looked very good against York and St. Joe's, and very beatable against City Tech and Baruch.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Hunter shot 5-17 from the free throw line.

That certainly didn't help.

I have no idea how City Tech stays in these games.  They have one decent big guy and their PG is an excellent scorer but where is the supporting cast?

Their "decent big guy" is Ryan Phillip. He's the leading rebounder in the conference and is third in scoring. He also has a conference-leading 18 double-doubles. I'd say he's a bit more than decent. But I do agree with you that outiside of Phillip and Hall the Yellow Jackets don't have much talent.

[xalva66]

If Hunter shoots 11-17 then its a completely different game but those are free opportunities that a team has to make. Shatz hit a big shot down the stretch and Hunter could not make anything down the stretch and most importantly, Baruch hit their free throws.

It is very difficult to beat a team like Baruch twice in one season. The atmostphere was extremely hostile, in particular behind the Hunter bench where fans were literally on top of the team during their timeouts. At one point during a timeout, 4 girls (I guess from the step club) were doing a dance right on the bench where the coach stands during the game. They didnt leave until after the ball was inbounded. Near the end of the game, a Baruch fan walked across the court towards the Hunter bench while Baruch was shooting Free Throws down the other end. Apparently he was going to sit behind the bench with the other fans.

At the conclusion of both games, the court became filled with Baruch fans like they just won the CUNY championship.

This is no excuse for the lose. Baruch played better down the stretch, plain and simple. But it is very surprising (or at least to me) that nothing was done about it.

[wendellladner]

If Hunter shoots 11-17 then its a completely different game but those are free opportunities that a team has to make. Shatz hit a big shot down the stretch and Hunter could not make anything down the stretch and most importantly, Baruch hit their free throws.

It is very difficult to beat a team like Baruch twice in one season. The atmostphere was extremely hostile, in particular behind the Hunter bench where fans were literally on top of the team during their timeouts. At one point during a timeout, 4 girls (I guess from the step club) were doing a dance right on the bench where the coach stands during the game. They didnt leave until after the ball was inbounded. Near the end of the game, a Baruch fan walked across the court towards the Hunter bench while Baruch was shooting Free Throws down the other end. Apparently he was going to sit behind the bench with the other fans.

At the conclusion of both games, the court became filled with Baruch fans like they just won the CUNY championship.

This is no excuse for the lose. Baruch played better down the stretch, plain and simple. But it is very surprising (or at least to me) that nothing was done about it.

Oh come on George, that's like saying if the Knicks hadn't made the deal for Marbury a few years ago they'd be the best team in the east. Quite often teams miss a lot of free throws in close games because it a close game and they get tight. Happens all the time. And the offical book has Hunter shooting 5 for 16. You could just as easily say it would have been a totally differnt game if Hunter shot 5 for 25 from the 3 point line (instead of 10 for 25).
I thought that the best point guard in D3 hoops would be able to take over these close games, whether on the road at a "hostile" environment or on the friendly confines of his home court. Especially if he was able to deal with road games in the big 10 a few years ago (as one of the posters astutely pointed out a while back). Instead he missed a critical free throw down the stretch (this is not to diminish his game - he is a fine player and I think we are all happy to see him on the court again after what he went through).
And are you kidding me about the "hostile" nature of the crowd. Last night was nothing compared to many of the snake pits that so many d1 d2 and d3 teams play in. Have you been to any NJAC games lately? I have seen D1 teams take all of their huddles to stools on the free throw line to get away from the crowd and the noise. I guess it would be better to play all of the games in those empty gyms that CUNY usually gets. Most good teams and solid players relish opportunites like Hunter had last night. It was a great atmosphere for college hoops.
The bottom line is 2 good teams. one executed and handled the presure the other didn't. The shoe could very well be on the other foot in the play-offs... as long as the crowd isn't too big and loud.

[xalva66]

Thats interesting. D1 crowds are controlled. If a fan jumps out on the visiting team bench they get removed from the building. Next time I will make two separate posts regarding two different things. Again, for the third time I will say this (I said it twice in my last post), HUNTER DID NOT EXECUTE DOWN THE STRETCH AND BARUCH DID. HUNTER DID NOT HIT THEIR FREE THROWS AND BARUCH DID. That is why Baruch won the game.

Again, here comes another new poster on the website. Hey Mr Moderator, can you tell if this is a new person all together or if this is someone who has a different IP address.

[xalva66]

from my recollection, Marlon Smith went 3-4 from the line down the stretch. Franz Millen and Joe Deluca shot a combined 1-9 from the line and I dont believe any of them were down the stretch. When I say Baruch hit Free Throws and Hunter did not, I meant for the entire game and not just down the stretch.

Hunter: 5-16
Baruch: 16-22

Please treat the below reply as a separate message. My comments below have nothing to do with the play of Hunter. With that said:

I didnt mention anything about Baruch being loud. That is a great atmosphere to play in. What bothered me was that the visiting team bench is wedged up against the bleachers. So close that if someone sitting in the first row leans over the guard rail, there head is literally in the huddle of visiting team. Also, no one should be running onto the team bench area from the bleachers during a time out. I watched 4 girls have a dance off right in the area of which the opposing coach stands during the time of play and they were not asked to go back into the bleachers by the Baruch staff. Also, just something that happened at the end of the Women's game, the court was filled with Baruch fans and someone who was in the middle of the crowd (on the court) started to throw rubber balls at people in the bleachers.

[NYBB]

if every CUNY game was like the Hunter/Baruch one, the conference might actually draw some attention and be for real and not the national joke that it is.

Let me add to that by saying that I went to Baruch and they have over 11,000 undergrads or something absolutely ridiculous like that.  They should be drawing at least 500 per game, MINIMUM!

[BubbaChuck3]

Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.

[BubbaChuck3]

Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.

[Pat Coleman]

I thought that the best point guard in D3 hoops would be able to take over these close games, whether on the road at a "hostile" environment or on the friendly confines of his home court.

He did. But he played in New London, Conn., against Connecticut College.

[NYBB]

i hope you're not suggesting that Andrew Olson is better than Marlon Smith lol.  That's just awful.  Marlon Smith can run circles around Olson and then dunk on him 5x.

[Danny Weismuller]

Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.

Maybe Zak can clarify but Yorks website is claiming they clinched the #1 seed and that the tie breaker is point different from the two times the teams played each other. (Which York outscored BC by 5 between the two times they faced each other)

Seems like the York/CSI game was similar to the BC game... CSI shot well in the first half (7-12 from 3pt land) but doesnt come up big down the stretch. Aaron Wilson shot well and York more than doubled CSI on the glass.

So, with the seedings shaping up.....
I think this season, you really cant discount the fact that the 5-8 seeds all have the ability to win.
Hunter or Baruch, City Tech, John Jay, Lehman have all proved they can beat any of the top seeds.
This should have all the coaches nervous for all the playoff games

[bballgirl86]

Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.

The way that the tie breaker works is the CUNYAC will look at both York/BC games to determine the #1 seed which is York. This is how it works, when BC came to York the final score was 83-74 which is a nine point difference. When York went to BC the final score was 86-72 which is a 14 point difference. Because York beat BC by more points than BC beat York that becomes the tie breaker. So to answer your question yes it does work on a point differential system.

York now clinches the South division and also a #1 seed in the playoffs, which means nothing because teams come out to play and win during playoffs. Indicator, 2 years ago York was the underdog and the #3 seed vs. Baruch and they were the eventual champs. With the great coaching of Ron St. Jonh York has a really good chance of a 3peat.

LETS GO YORK!