MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[xalva66]

Thank you commissioner.

[Danny Weismuller]

Well first BC needs to win today but the Rule which is now stated on CUNY's website doesn't make any sense.....of why York has the 1 seed locked

With a BC win today.....

a. "head to head "     BC and York Split series
b.  "division record"    both 6-2 in division play...
3rd rule is "c. The team with a loss to the highest ranking non-tied team"

now this would mean that BC has one up on York since they beat CSI twice and York split with them. CSI is the next highest ranking opponent... but later is says that since BC/YORK are in first that rule is irrelavant....

How can this be???   Since both team finished in first BC is penalized?
This doesnt make any sense.....
When there is a tie for first place that rule is not enforced???  What's the point of having that rule in there? For 6th and 7th place teams...
I'm thinking the CUNY website was incorrect??

Anyway.. all this caucasing doesn't mean anything if BC doesn't win today....

Go BC..

[Coach AG]

Here it go's---

York vs. Lehman
Baruch vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. City Tech
CSI vs. John Jay

I feel every game could go anyway except maybe the York game, but who knows?

What did I say 2 weeks ago about John Jay, very scary team to face in the first round.  They are a deep team with a legit point guard in Mascall, they have a legit scorer in #34 and Kased looks to be regaining his dominance in the paint.

Go CSI

[Coach AG]

#34= Vaughn Mason

[Rhodes Scholar]

John Jay 92, Hunter 85

John Jay
Hakeem Kased  18 pts
Godfrey Mascall  16 pts
Emilio Gomez  15 pts

Hunter
Marlon Smith  26 pts
Joe DeLuca  19 pts
Gerard Ciarleglio  16 pts

John Jay led 50-37 at the half and opened up an even bigger lead before Hunter fought back to close the gap only to falter in crunch time. With Kelly and Evans gone, Hunter's lack of depth is obvious and it may very well do them in.

I'm in complete agreement with Coach AG regarding John Jay. The Bloodhounds are very deep and quite capable of pulling off an upset in the first round. Hunter looked quite good against York, but since then has lost their last three conference games.

[Pat Coleman]

i hope you're not suggesting that Andrew Olson is better than Marlon Smith lol.  That's just awful.  Marlon Smith can run circles around Olson and then dunk on him 5x.

I welcome Smith leading his team to the playoffs so we can find out.

I don't care if he can run circles around him (doubt it) and certainly don't care if he can dunk it over him (I'd hope he can). This isn't Penn State, Fordham or Robert Morris-Chicago.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Hunter actually opened the season at Amherst, but Smith was not on the roster yet. In order for a rematch to take place, Hunter would have to go on a nice winning streak beginning Saturday, February 16.

[Danny Weismuller]

York vs. Lehman
Baruch vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. City Tech
CSI vs. John Jay

Don't be surprised if BC gets the #1 seed and faces Lehman. If you noticed CUNY took down their original post on their website about seeding.

My guess is they realized what I mentioned in the previous post about the tiebreaker which states about losses to a higher ranked team. Against CSI and Hunter .. BC is 3-0 where York is 1-2.

I don't know if having the #1 seed is so advantageous....
Your road to the finals as a 2 seed is City then CSI (hypothetically)
but as a 1 seed its Lehman, Baruch/Hunter....

It's anyones tourney right now.....
I wouldnt be surprised if any of the top 5 seeds take the crown.

[bballgirl86]

York vs. Lehman
Baruch vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. City Tech
CSI vs. John Jay

Don't be surprised if BC gets the #1 seed and faces Lehman. If you noticed CUNY took down their original post on their website about seeding.

My guess is they realized what I mentioned in the previous post about the tiebreaker which states about losses to a higher ranked team. Against CSI and Hunter .. BC is 3-0 where York is 1-2.

I don't know if having the #1 seed is so advantageous....
Your road to the finals as a 2 seed is City then CSI (hypothetically)
but as a 1 seed its Lehman, Baruch/Hunter....

It's anyones tourney right now.....
I wouldnt be surprised if any of the top 5 seeds take the crown.

I believe that york is still the #1 seed. Like u mentioned they look at the head to head which york has the upper hand by 5 points. If you go back to when your brother was a freshmen at csi u will find that there was a tie for the south division, they split the series then 2 but because csi beat york by more points they got the south division title and the #2 seed. But we will eventually see the seedings this week when they are posted, but I'll put my money that york will be #1.

[Danny Weismuller]

I believe that york is still the #1 seed. Like u mentioned they look at the head to head which york has the upper hand by 5 points. If you go back to when your brother was a freshmen at csi u will find that there was a tie for the south division, they split the series then 2 but because csi beat york by more points they got the south division title and the #2 seed. But we will eventually see the seedings this week when they are posted, but I'll put my money that york will be #1.

Correct but my understanding is after that year... the coaches got together and added thast higher ranked opponent rule to dispute cases like this.

But I'll guess we'll wait and see... Interesting though...

Like i said, I don't know if it even matters since the league is so balanced this year..
We could possibly see not one tourney game decided by more than 10 points..

[Rhodes Scholar]

I found this on the CUNYAC website earlier today (although I can't find it now).

In the event of a tie, the following criteria will be used to determine the seeding for the tournament:

a. Head to head results
b. Division record
c. The team with a loss to the highest ranking non-tied team
d. The least number of points allowed between tied teams
e. The fewest points allowed in conference play

If the above is correct and I interpreted it properly then the seeding will be as follows:

#8 Lehman @ #1 York
#7 NYC Tech @ #2 Brooklyn
#6 John Jay @ #3 CSI
#5 Hunter @ #4 Baruch

These are the exact same matchups that Coach AG stated.

[Danny Weismuller]

Rhodes.. if this is what you are following..

how can you have York in front of Brooklyn??
What about rule C.?
"The team with a loss to the highest ranking oppponent"
This is before rule D about point differential.

[Rhodes Scholar]

I just went down the list one at a time and the first rule that broke the tie ended it. So for York and Brooklyn, rules a & b didn't settle the matter so I went to c. And c gives the edge to York because they lost to CSI, which is the highest ranking non-tied team. Is that correct?

[Danny Weismuller]

Interesting.....
I didn't think of it like that. I guess I took the rule as wins against next highest ranked opponent...but the wording is a loss to the highest ranking oppponent.
Meaning whoever had losses to better competition?

York loses to CSI who had a better record. . BC lost to lower ranked opponents and thats what decides it?

Wow.. I can't say I agree with that but I guess when you read the rule like that your point is valid.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess that's why they call you the scholar.

So since we're on the tiebreaker topic....

I like the wins against common higher ranked opponent as a tiebreaker as I feel they are a better gauge of how well your team is capable of playing, what does a loss to a high ranked team prove?

As Vince Lombardi said... "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"

[D.Echols aka Dblock]

I Havent been on in a while but can anybody please say three peat by york. oh i did already york is taking the chip like i been saying the whole season.  And i also like how they are running the playoffs this year with the higher seed getting a home game. I cant wait i hope i see you all at ccny i know i will be there.




Lets Get It YORK!