MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Bad comparison... Moravian was a Pool B bid. Stevens, because they couldn't win their conference, is a Pool C bid. There are four Pool B bids available for any conference without the AQ (like the Landmark) and independents. There are 17 bids for everyone else combined.

So, you are comparing apple and oranges!

[Danny Weismuller]

Brooklyn College is finishing a state-of-art athletic facility set to open Dec 2008.

And now dorms... a nice recruiting tool.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/03/05/2008-03-05_brooklyn_college_plans_to_open_first_dor.html

[Pat Coleman]

Your York answer:

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=ibmhbqhr235fyi05

[Danny Weismuller]

First Round - Wednesday, March 5
New York University 83, St. Joseph's College (NY) 79
Brooklyn College 87, Rutgers-Newark 79
York (NY) 70, New Jersey City 67
Stevens Tech. 73, Staten Island 47

Semifinals - Saturday, March 8
#4 Brooklyn at #1 Stevens Tech., 8:00 p.m.
#6 New York University at #2 York, 8:00 p.m.


The Brooklyn College game was pretty exciting. They were down 18 at one point in the first half after a bunch of turnovers.  Could be attributed to some rust from not playing. They turned it on in the second half. Some big steals by the back court and Baptiste could not be stopped as he went for 25 in the second half to finish with 37. I thought this game was closer than it should of been. Turnovers and poor foul shooting really hurt Brooklyn throughout the game.

York was missing some players, were they suspended? Looks like Brooklyn and York represented CUNY well by beating two NJAC schools. Granted they weren't the top in their conferences but both were respectable wins.

[Real Ballin]

JOHN JAY WINS!!
THE BLOODHOUNDS WERE PACED BY ALEX VALERIO W/ 16 pts. KASED W. 10pts 10 BOARDS and GODFREY MASCALL AddED 12pts 9 asT

GREAT WIN!!
AMHERST NEXT ON SAT!

[Rhodes Scholar]

John Jay's bench outscored Moravian's subs 52-15. Valerio, Mascall, Garcia, Kased and Brady all came off the bench for the Bloodhounds. In addition, John Jay outscored Moravian 48-29 in the paint.

By bringing key players off the bench, Jackson is able to create mismatches at certain points in the game. It's an interesting concept, and I'm surprised that more coaches don't employ the same tactic.

[Zak Ivkovic]

Great job Bloodhounds !!!Not bad on the men's side thus far with York and Brooklyn winning in ECACs and our #6 seed winning in the NCAAs. Good luck to all this weekend and keep the fun going.

[Danny Weismuller]

That's a great win for John Jay and CUNY.
I noticed the top 4 scorers for the game came off the bench. And everyone seems to play about 20 minutes. The mismatch concept is interesting.
I was thinking how the other team might take the bench players lightly. Not many teams have 10 players who could make a difference. Could of caught a team off guard who is not familiar with John Jay, ie Moravin.

[Rhodes Scholar]

If you haven't done so, listen to the interview with Coach Jackson on Hoopsville. He doesn't go in to great detail, but he does mention how he brings Mascall off the bench to play against the opposition's starting players who are tiring. Plus, there are other tidbits in there as well.

[Billy 40]

Brooklyn College is finishing a state-of-art athletic facility set to open Dec 2008.

And now dorms... a nice recruiting tool.

Danny (I assume you are Sean's brother?), in case you didn't know - Brooklyn College used to be D1, and they never had a problem recruiting players...WITHOUT dorms. And without a fancy gym. The majority of their players were from Texas, and they lived in apartments on Ave. J. They all had work study jobs, as well as regular jobs - pool cleaning, maintenance BS stuff. They were well taken care of.

The reason the program was shut down (1992) was they were taking "recruiting" trips to Africa, which were astronomical in cost. So, teh fact that they are D3 now and need a new gym and dorms in order to recruit players, is a joke.

[Rhodes Scholar]

He didn't say that they need a new gym and dorms to recruit players. He just stated that having a new gym and dorms would help with recruiting. I can't find much to disagree with.

[wendellladner]

Billy40 - I think you're missing the point. It makes sense that Brooklyn College would have had an easier time recruiting when it could offer scholarships (which included free housing and stipends for food) back in the day when they were division 1. Also ,the condition of the gym back then would not be nearly as big a deal as it is now so many years later, based on the following.
In the passing years since the program was division 1 many of the same schools that Brooklyn would eventually be competing against at the division 3 level built new facilities. It is a major trend in overall recruitment of students (not just athletes) to showcase the outstanding athletic and recreational opportunities afforded by the college. For exammple, in '92 few smaller schools had state of the art facilities for teams let alone rock climbing walls and par 3 golf courses for the general student populations.
So now that Brooklyn cannot offer scholarships, and so many of tis division 3 rivals have state of the art facilities, it has to find a different way to compete. That means highlighting the strong points of both the college overall, and the basketball program specifically. In this context, it helps level the playing field if they at least have a real facility. Add in the possibility of geting a student athlete from outside the immediate area by offerring a dorm room and it actually gives them a chance to get a kid who otherwise never would have looked seriously at Brooklyn. Even assuming that you had accurate information as to why the program was shut down over 15 years ago, that is completely irrelevant to Danny's post.

[Danny Weismuller]

Dear Billy 40,

I wanted to personally thank you for the history lesson on Brooklyn College athletics. In case you didn't know, I played there for four years and I am well aware of the history of the program. Anyone who has walked around Brooklyn College knows the athletic facilities are extremely outdated. From the weight-rooms with equipment from the 1970's to the locker rooms with half working lockers, this campus needed an updated facility. I was simply stating the addition of dorms and a new gym will be help when you are competing to recruit against other tri-state area schools with nice facilities (CSI, Lehman, Baruch).

Thanks again,
Danny (Yes, Sean's brother)

[Billy 40]

Good responses. And I agree, the facilities there are AWFUL now...just as they were when they were D1. The thing about them being able to offer scholarships is really a moot point. THE tuition back then was $1500 a year more or less - considering the tuition costs now, and that there are less scholarships available to NCAA programs...that was a shcolarship in of itself. The big draw to teh Texas kids (and oen frm New Mexico who led the nation in FG % in tht final year) - had a LOT more to do with everything other than scholarships. REgardless, it's not the point here.

The Kingsmen were unable to use the new gym/dorms to recruit this year, and they still had a fantastic year (for a CUNY). Look at what the beuatiful facilities have done for Baruch & Lehman (sans dorms) - not much of a difference from before. While it's a nice thought to hope that the new facilities will assist in recruiting, and I hope it does - I just don't think it's going to make too much of a difference.

Knowing how BC is being run, it wouldnt' surprise me if they did not allow athletes to stay in the dorms once they are there. Honest question - does anyoen outside of teh athletic department there know that their team won a game in te ECAC's? Does half the school even know there are athletics programs? Look at what happened over at CCNY, the entire program is on the verge of collapsing. Tehy have very nice facilities (weight room & gym - no dorms though), and last year they had amazing years in track & Baseball.

[Danny Weismuller]

We all know Atlantic Region schools don't bring in high daily attendance per game. Even the areas D1 schools have low attendance at their games.

But BC did have some decent crowds. Probably one of the higher attendance averages per game in CUNY. Part of the problem is the gym is hidden and most students don't even know it exists.

The new building will be more conducive to student traffic as it will hold all student services (bursar, registrar) and have a new fitness center. Hopefully it will generate some student support of the athletic teams.

FYI - the "Kingsmen" name has been extinct for a while now. About ten years ago the powers that be (not athletic dept) had an ingenious idea to rename the nickname. They are now the Brooklyn College Bridges.