MBB: City University of New York Athletic Conference

[Rhodes Scholar]

I've seen Baruch twice this year, and I don't think they're as bad as you do. Farid, Kunkel and Bader are all solid. If Hilaire is consistent they should be fine. That said, their bench is pretty weak.

[BklynBasketball]

"Baruch hasn't been this bad in a long time"

D3hero, they took the "legit" (your quote) Farmingdale to overtime last night.

[d3hero]

this isn't the same baruch with gari & sime marnika though.  this isn't the baruch with lou karis & robi davidson.  george is a good player but outside of him and a few other guys, they're not strong.

i feel college hoops at d3 has become weaker, in all honesty.

Hartwick's 10-15 team in 2002 had players that would CRUSH kids today.  The talent just isn't as good.

[Danny Weismuller]

What's up, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Interesting topic. People always claim that athletes were more talented in the past. I'm not sure. I guess you can look at the best players and match them up from past years. A player like David Paul from CSI or Lou Karis would probabaly be just as good in today's CUNY as much as they did when they were seniors. Now take a current player like Jean Baptiste and he would be doing the same thing he does now against the teams 10 years ago. I played 99-03 and I know Baptiste would have been all-cuny during my time as well. It's extremely difficult to compare time frames. You just just don't know.
While on the topic of talent, I believe CUNY as a whole conference has made strides to catch up to the other local conferences over the past few seasons.

In other CUNY news, my brother Sean has decided to sit out this year for personal reasons and
Kyle Yocum has decided not to play this year for CSI.

I also noticed after Brooklyn beat Old Westbury, OW's website headline was "Old Westbury STUNNED by Brooklyn College"... I thought stunned was an interesting choice of words, lol.  Some people would probabaly say Brooklyn was favorite in that game.

Coach AG, give me a call when you get a chance.
Coach NA, thanks for the email.

[knight_life]

William Paterson defeated Hunter 71-69 on Saturday, after trailing by eight points in the second half. The top team from the NJAC almost made headlines with an upset loss to a team that many are saying shouldn't be considered a contender in the CUNYAC.....maybe those thoughts will change after this game.

[Rhodes Scholar]

I also saw the WPU-Hunter game. Very exciting contest and the Pioneers were very fortunate to come away with the victory. Hunter looks like they'll be one of the better teams in the conference. Millien and DeLuca are the two big guns back from last year's team. Kinaj, a point guard, looks like the best of the newcomers. 

[JWill]

Baruch is a solid team they are off to a 3-2 start with good wins over Immaculata and Stevens breaking Stevens home winning streak. They lost close games to a good NYU team and always tough Farmingdale. Ray Rankis is the best coach in CUNY and always get the best out of his players. They will contend for the title.
I have to agree that the CUNY league is weaker than the past years. Back in the day the backcourt play was a whole lot better than it is now and you also had a couple of solid big men.

[knight_life]

That is true, I remember there being this one guy at City Tech maybe six or seven years ago. I can't remember his name, but he was big, solid and legit. Not too many big men like that anymore in the conference.

[d3hero]

I forget his name though i think his last name started with an "M". 

You're absolutely right though: the CUNY has no big men like they used to and CCNY doesn't have anything anymore.  Where's Dana Warner when u need him?  Graduated and working, that's where.

[CityD3]

That is true, I remember there being this one guy at City Tech maybe six or seven years ago. I can't remember his name, but he was big, solid and legit. Not too many big men like that anymore in the conference.

Shacun Malave led City tech to a Cuny championship about 7 years ago. he WAS legit; he had a great offensive game, but it might have been second to this defense. John Smith and Nebavlakis from CSI weren't too bad either. Sekani Francis from Lehman was pretty good for a 65 year old. Weismuller looked like the next great big man after his freshman year. Hopefully he can return to form  when he comes backnext year.

[Danny Weismuller]

As far as big men go, I think David Paul is better than all the guys mentioned. Maybe Shacun Malave and Sekani Francis were comparable but David Paul was a beast and I'll put him up against any big man over the last ten years in the region. Don't forget Neil Edwards either who went on to the NBDL. He wasn't as skilled but I believe he did lead the country in blocks 2 years in a row.

Dana Warner? He was good but he was also a rent a player for a year or a year and a 1/4 and a D1 or D2 transfer. That CCNY team was very good and had 3-4 really good players. And Dana Warner was more of a swing man if I remember.


How bout top point guards in the last ten years?


Last nights results:

CCNY 50 Lehman  70
John Jay  65 Hunter  77
CSI  61 City Tech   67 
Medgar Evers 61 Baruch 87
York 62 Brooklyn   71


Can't say I'm surprised from the scores although CSI seemed to be pretty close to City Tech. CSI has Jordan Young, a freshman who has been putting up some impressive numbers. I have'nt seen him play yet but he looks like the real deal.

Brooklyn took down York and looks like they were up by 15 at one point. Brooklyn turned York over 30 times. If BC shoots well, they will be very tough to beat.

[JWill]

We are talking about CUNY almost every team has had a rent a player for at least a year or two, Warner wasn't the only one. I would also put Cheick Fadika on that last list of good big men in the league he played at Baruch a couple of years ago.
Some of the best guards I've seen from 2002-2007

Edgar Lugo  Lehman 
Luis Chavez  Lehman
Pablo Palma  John Jay
Tim White  Joh Jay
Dana Warner  CCNY
Lorcan Precious  Hunter
Michael Stewart  CSI
Jeff Baptist  Brooklyn Collge
Carl Emengo  Baruch
Lou Karis  Baruch
Robbie Davidson  Baruch
Andre Bagot  Lehman
John Alesi  Baruch
Shayne Smith York
Perry Wilkes  Medgar

[d3hero]

Edgar Lugo played against me in my men's league at the Reebok Sports Club L/A and he's absolutely legit.

What about Sime Marnika & Gary Etienne from Baruch for big guys? 

[Danny Weismuller]

Nice list JWil...

I would add my buddy Jason Fulford from Brooklyn as well. I'm sure we are missing a few people.
From that list I would say Lorcan Precious was probably the best natural point guard.
Dana Warner and Mike Stewart the best players out of the list. I didn't see everyone else enough to comment. Jeff Baptist was extremely underrated as well.

Sime and Gary were good players but I don't think they were elite. They def were part of the reason that Baruch team was so tough.

[JWill]

I agree Sime and Gary were good players, Gary I think was the better out of the two but I think Fadika ended his career better than both his career just got off to a slower start because he had to really learn the game.
I also would agree that Precious was the best pure point and Dana was the scorer, though Wilkes was a monster even though he didn't finish the year. I would also throw Hall at City Tech on that list.