BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OxyBob]

CrashDavis sent this:  according to the Chapman student paper, Coach T has resigned

Maya Omar, Chapman's equal opportunity officer and lead investigator on Tereschuk's allegations, declined to comment on the investigation.

Ms. Omar upon hearing about Coach Tereschuk's naughty off-color language:



She was unable to comment because she got the vapors and collapsed onto her fainting couch.

OxyBob

[108 Stitches]

ROFLMAO Made my day Oxybob!

Wait can I post that......

[infielddad]

Just wanted to add my thoughts on the sad news coming out of Chapman that Coach Tereschuk has resigned. It's an unfortunate end for a Coach who has done so much for a program on and off the field. Every Chapman player I've ever spoke to has had nothing but praise for the man and I've yet to come across anyone whose felt otherwise. I think he deserves an enormous amount of praise for the success he was able to manage on the field and also for the ways he impacted the lives of so many individuals off of it. He will truly be missed within that University.

And on a side note, I just still haven't grasped this trend in our society and the NCAA that has forced so many great coaches away from their respected schools. There has been a huge shift in recent months surrounding college coaching and I'm sorry to say that I don't think it's over yet.

Another case of PC culture gone awry IMO.

I for one want my son playing for a tough coach who teaches him lessons that he can not get elsewhere. I am thinking that he will survive being called "female genitalia"..... my goodness what has the world come to.  I am thinking there are a couple of programs in the SCAC who could use a coach like Coach T. He may well jump to Division 1 as it was not long ago there was an article in the OC paper as the best coach in So Cal regardless of level. USC would do itself well hiring him.

Best of luck to Coach T!

Well said.  I watched up close the outstanding qualities of this coach since 2006 and the real loss is to the remaining players for Chapman and what they will miss and learn. I am glad for those players who had a chance to experience the opportunity to play for a man who loves the game, has fire and passion for the game and for his players on and off the field. Only the few who did not play and could not endure a coach that demands and expects the best from his players and pushes his players to achieve things they could not achieve in other programs. It is a very sad reflection on our PC society today and how a few can ruin so much for the majority these days. I am sure Coach T will survive and thrive in another program soon. He won championships at the high school level and the college level. Watch for him to do the same soon somewhere else. I do not expect Chapman to be winning any SCIAC championships in baseball anytime soon.

Any D1 program in the country that wants to win and win now would be thrilled to give him the opportunity to coach for him.
He is tough and demanding. So was Lombardi, so is Garrido at Texas and so are other winners in all walks of life.

Chapman may have done him a favor by facilitating this change by putting an outstanding coach out on the open market. Let the bidding begin.

Crash,  From the outside appearance, one could reasonably construct the perspective that the Coach was provided an option to resign, with the other option being termination.  From that perspective, I guess one could consider this a favor.
From most other perspectives, I am not sure about concluding "any" DI program would be thrilled or that Coach T is in a very strong position at the DI level.
Wherever he goes, this issue follows, to some extent and the extent may well vary from school to school.  I don't know if he has family, but uprooting his family might also be a requirement. There just are not many DI spots which open each year. 
For those that do open, there can be 500 to 1,000 applicants and many of those are surprising because they are head coaches with solid backgrounds looking to move.  The other part is AD's at the DI level don't seem to want to tolerate too much risk so it can be quite a challenge for very successful d3 coaches to get interviews, let alone get to the finalists and be in demand/command of the situation.  As one illustration, Coach T, in looking for a DI head coaching position, might well be competing with someone such as his predecessor at Chapman, Rex Peters.  Coach Peters is a fabulous coach who got Davis to a Regional, built Chapman to a power, and did a masterful job managing and coaching the UCLA offense to the CWS in 2012. That is one illustration but it reflects the quality of potential applicants for every head coaching job which opens at the DI level each year, and usually there are less than 20.
From everything I have read, what happened in the last 30 days or so is not a reflection of Coach T's ability in baseball.  I truly hope he rebounds from this and captures a new position with minimum disruption.  If he wants to move to the DI level, my guess is he would need to do so as an assistant, at least initially.  He also might need to relocate, which is a completely different challenge depending on family, etc. I would love for your version to be the one which happens with Coach T but everything I am learning about the coaching opportunities at the DI level makes me come down with a much more cautious perspective.

[108 Stitches]

I agree with you infielddad, Coach Peters is a perfect model for Coach T to emulate as far as a career path. Peters in effect stepped back from a D1 head coach position (that had dubious AD support) to take an assistant position at a more visible program. I could well see Coach T going this route and you are correct it may be his only path at the D1 level.... or possibly getting an opportunity at a smaller D1 fringe program or even another DIII program that wants to make a step up.  Certainly there are going to be questions about what happened at Chapman, which he will have to answer. I do wish him the best in the future.

As far as the baseball program at Chapman I am sure there are some recruits rethinking things, even if it is a DIII program. Most at this level pick a school and a baseball program with significant emphasis on the school, which Chapman is

[CrashDavisD3]

I agree with you infielddad, Coach Peters is a perfect model for Coach T to emulate as far as a career path. Peters in effect stepped back from a D1 head coach position (that had dubious AD support) to take an assistant position at a more visible program. I could well see Coach T going this route and you are correct it may be his only path at the D1 level.... or possibly getting an opportunity at a smaller D1 fringe program or even another DIII program that wants to make a step up.  Certainly there are going to be questions about what happened at Chapman, which he will have to answer. I do wish him the best in the future.

As far as the baseball program at Chapman I am sure there are some recruits rethinking things, even if it is a DIII program. Most at this level pick a school and a baseball program with significant emphasis on the school, which Chapman is

Excellent comments. In today's  world...Too much media attention may make it more difficult for colleges to make decisions.

I know nothing about any details about Chapman today since I am not really too close to the program these days.

But I know in the past many players came to Chapman based upon the Coach, the baseball program, the school and the location as a complete package. We got players who could have been backup players on the D1/D2 level and some transfers that started in D1/D2 as starters. So school alone will not draw good/great baseball players.

If that was the true other great schools would have great baseball programs but they don't. The challenge with Chapman is the costs have gone up dramatically in the past 4 years at the school and even with financial aid it becomes a real challenge to pay for 4 years at Chapman and to match that up with good/great baseball players. Many desire to go but just can't pull off the financials to make it work.

[Whatagame]

The reality is that every college/university in the SCIAC and NWC is a private institution, and all are expensive at full boat tuition, so all schools, including Chapman, are in more-or-less the same situation.  Additionally, some schools are extremely difficult/competitive to obtain merit scholarship monies, as every accepted applicant is a high achiever academically, thus you'll need an extremely high GPA, SAT, and those schools lean more towards meeting demonstrated financial need.  A quick perusal of a sampling of 2013 tuition/room/board costs for SCIAC/NWC schools:

$48,000 - Redlands
$44,000 - Linfield
$46,000 - Chapman
$54,000 - Whitman
$59,000 - Occidental
$46,000 - Whitworth

Chapman is at no disadvantage compared to any other school in the two conferences, relative to the challenges associated with recruiting athletes/versus cost of the education.

[Ralph Turner]

Apparently Coach T's monologue was not favorably received.

[utilitycat17]

Apparently Coach T's monologue was not favorably received.

What monologue?

[Teddy_Ballgame]

The reality is that every college/university in the SCIAC and NWC is a private institution, and all are expensive at full boat tuition, so all schools, including Chapman, are in more-or-less the same situation.  Additionally, some schools are extremely difficult/competitive to obtain merit scholarship monies, as every accepted applicant is a high achiever academically, thus you'll need an extremely high GPA, SAT, and those schools lean more towards meeting demonstrated financial need.  A quick perusal of a sampling of 2013 tuition/room/board costs for SCIAC/NWC schools:

$48,000 - Redlands
$44,000 - Linfield
$46,000 - Chapman
$54,000 - Whitman
$59,000 - Occidental
$46,000 - Whitworth

Chapman is at no disadvantage compared to any other school in the two conferences, relative to the challenges associated with recruiting athletes/versus cost of the education.

I'll add that Pomona College and Pitzer College are each between 57,000-58,000/year. Pomona has an acceptance rate of about 14% and Pitzer's is around 24%. Neither give much wiggle room for athletes, and so those two factors alone eliminate a large universe of potential ballplayers (but does help them lure the talented smart kids). CMC (the only school in the CMS group that contributes to the baseball team) has roughly the same tuition as both Pomona and Pitzer, with an admissions rate closer to Pomona's. And let's not even go to Cal Tech...

In terms of SCIAC schools, Chapman's main recruiting competition would be with La Verne, Redlands and Cal Lutheran (and Whittier, to a lesser extent I suppose). All four are solid academic institutions, but have more flexibility in admissions:
La Verne       $46,000 40% admit rate
Redlands       $48,000 65% admit rate
Cal Lutheran $45,000 44% admit rate
Chapman      $46,000 45% admit rate

One of the big factors for at least a few of these schools is room and board. I know La Verne and Redlands have a relatively large percentage of commuter students who can save money on room and board by living at home. Not sure about Chapman or Cal Lutheran. Regardless, the four schools occupy relatively different areas or Southern California (La Verne and Redlands being closer to each other, and Chapman and Cal Lu a little more isolated) and geography is a large factor in recruiting.  Chapman has, by my very rough and unverified count, 13 guys from the OC. Cal Lutheran has about the same from the greater Thousand Oaks area and La Verne a similar amount from the San Gabriel Valley/Inland Empire. Redlands players are a little more spread out, with about 6 from the Inland Empire.

I'm not sure how much they lose in recruiting compared to the other SCIAC schools. They seem to have had a stranglehold on recruiting in the OC, at least of the guys who didn't go D1 or D2. So they may still be able to recruit good D3 players from an area with an abundant amount of talent. However, without Coach T's presence in the program they may start losing out on the guys who may be fringe players at a smaller D1 or a D2 as Crash pointed out. One of their best players a few years ago, Mike Roth, transferred from UC Riverside where he was a starter to play for Coach T. Obviously I don't know his whole story, but you gotta imagine those kinds of things aren't gonna happen as much without Tereschuk leading the program. And one of the key parts of building such an incredible program over there was bringing in top rate talent. Yes, he developed players pretty damn well but there's no denying that guys like Roth, Ruah, Kitchens, Yacko, et al were going to be studs wherever they went. Can they still pull those guys without Coach T? They'll have to shoot pretty high to find someone who will be able to recruit like that. And that's without even considering the possibility that some current players transfer.

It's probably going to be a tough road for Chapman for the next few years.

[Colorado]

The reality is that every college/university in the SCIAC and NWC is a private institution, and all are expensive at full boat tuition, so all schools, including Chapman, are in more-or-less the same situation.  Additionally, some schools are extremely difficult/competitive to obtain merit scholarship monies, as every accepted applicant is a high achiever academically, thus you'll need an extremely high GPA, SAT, and those schools lean more towards meeting demonstrated financial need.  A quick perusal of a sampling of 2013 tuition/room/board costs for SCIAC/NWC schools:

$48,000 - Redlands
$44,000 - Linfield
$46,000 - Chapman
$54,000 - Whitman
$59,000 - Occidental
$46,000 - Whitworth

Chapman is at no disadvantage compared to any other school in the two conferences, relative to the challenges associated with recruiting athletes/versus cost of the education.

I'll add that Pomona College and Pitzer College are each between 57,000-58,000/year. Pomona has an acceptance rate of about 14% and Pitzer's is around 24%. Neither give much wiggle room for athletes, and so those two factors alone eliminate a large universe of potential ballplayers (but does help them lure the talented smart kids). CMC (the only school in the CMS group that contributes to the baseball team) has roughly the same tuition as both Pomona and Pitzer, with an admissions rate closer to Pomona's. And let's not even go to Cal Tech...

In terms of SCIAC schools, Chapman's main recruiting competition would be with La Verne, Redlands and Cal Lutheran (and Whittier, to a lesser extent I suppose). All four are solid academic institutions, but have more flexibility in admissions:
La Verne       $46,000 40% admit rate
Redlands       $48,000 65% admit rate
Cal Lutheran $45,000 44% admit rate
Chapman      $46,000 45% admit rate

One of the big factors for at least a few of these schools is room and board. I know La Verne and Redlands have a relatively large percentage of commuter students who can save money on room and board by living at home. Not sure about Chapman or Cal Lutheran. Regardless, the four schools occupy relatively different areas or Southern California (La Verne and Redlands being closer to each other, and Chapman and Cal Lu a little more isolated) and geography is a large factor in recruiting.  Chapman has, by my very rough and unverified count, 13 guys from the OC. Cal Lutheran has about the same from the greater Thousand Oaks area and La Verne a similar amount from the San Gabriel Valley/Inland Empire. Redlands players are a little more spread out, with about 6 from the Inland Empire.

I'm not sure how much they lose in recruiting compared to the other SCIAC schools. They seem to have had a stranglehold on recruiting in the OC, at least of the guys who didn't go D1 or D2. So they may still be able to recruit good D3 players from an area with an abundant amount of talent. However, without Coach T's presence in the program they may start losing out on the guys who may be fringe players at a smaller D1 or a D2 as Crash pointed out. One of their best players a few years ago, Mike Roth, transferred from UC Riverside where he was a starter to play for Coach T. Obviously I don't know his whole story, but you gotta imagine those kinds of things aren't gonna happen as much without Tereschuk leading the program. And one of the key parts of building such an incredible program over there was bringing in top rate talent. Yes, he developed players pretty damn well but there's no denying that guys like Roth, Ruah, Kitchens, Yacko, et al were going to be studs wherever they went. Can they still pull those guys without Coach T? They'll have to shoot pretty high to find someone who will be able to recruit like that. And that's without even considering the possibility that some current players transfer.

It's probably going to be a tough road for Chapman for the next few years.

Yes. His leaving probably will have an impact on the next few year's recruiting classes. Though the oddity for next year is that they will have the equivalent of a "good recruiting class" with the return of the 3 injured pitchers who sat out 2013 (assuming they all come back healthy and throwing in the 90's like they were before TJ surgery). Rehab is on schedule for all 3 and McGee might try to pitch during the fall. 2 guys from this year's staff had good years (Watson and Riddle) and Chapman may actually have a deeper staff.  The bigger concern for the pitchers is what happens to Eddie, the pitching coach. Chapman policy might prevent Eddie from being the permanent head coach and if he is gone (it would be no surprise if he followed T to yet another program), then what?  I'm a little biased but Eddie who pitched in the minors and who I believe has been with T since their Villa Park HS Championship days when Mark Trumbo played at VP,  was a major reason for Chapman's phenomenal success.  All of the Panther pitching studs in the last decade were recruited by Eddie and most had their mechanic's tweaked by him (like Rauh). He called their pitches and T pretty much gave him free rein to handle the staff during a game. More importantly, many were victims of his off beat sense of humor as he knew how to handle the fragile psyches of his pitchers. If T was the stern father figure pushing his pitchers to greater heights, Eddie was the friendly uncle giving them the technical knowledge to set up an opposing hitter for failure.  AS for T, I'm sorry to see him go. He made an impact on my son's life for the better and that was good enough for me.   

[Gray Fox]

Yes, he developed players pretty damn well

Watch your language.

[Gray Fox]

Are the fires in the CLU area going to have an effect on the schedule?

[OxyBob]

Are the fires in the CLU area going to have an effect on the schedule?

It shouldn't. The fire is in Camarillo burning west towards the ocean, not southeast towards Thousand Oaks.

OxyBob

[Gray Fox]

Actually, my friends in Newbury Park had pictures showing it was very near, and the national news said "a university" was threatened.

[108 Stitches]

I drove by the area today, and it had no impact, just as noted it was further west. I guess the wind could shift back onshore and maybe create some smoke, but that would put the fire out anyway. The University is Cal State Channel Islands and it is definitely impacted.