BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BigPoppa]

Wow, what to step up the competition Oxy.
Whats next?  A 3 game series with Cal Tech

Wildthing-
If you are going to bang Oxy for possibly playing Cal Tech, you need to bang your own alma mater, Pomona-Pitzer, for playing them as well... it's all the same conference.

[Ralph Turner]

NAIA-2 refers to Region 2-

NAIA is now only one division in pretty much everything except basketball.

Simpson technically is playing for the same playoff berths as Azusa, Biola, The Masters, and Westment, etc.

And fyi - Oxy does play 2 games against Cal Tech this year per Cal Tech's schedule!

Thanks rbaikie, I found Simpson under the NAIA-II link on the left sidebar of the NAIA .  Thanks for the clarification.

[BigPoppa]

I think that NAIA-II refers to the division of school(even though they are in region II) NAIA-I is schools that have scholarships and NAIA-II is schools that do not. The entire Cal-Pac conference falls into the NAIA-II division and it allows them to play NCAA- III as well. The GSAC is all NAIA-I schools.

Most NAIA-II teams may delcare which post season it is trying to qualify for(NAIA or NCAA-III) as most meet the NCAA-III requirements as well and are dual members. They would have to compete with scholarship schools in the NAIA, so most choose to play NCAA-III.

In a nutshell... Simpson is a non-scholarship school.

This I and II only applies to the basketball post season( 2 divisions) and has no bearing on the baseball seasons(1 division). 

[rbaikie]

Big Poppa -

I'm not trying to be argumentative - just confused.

Based on what the NAIA says on their website -

Simpson may be non-athletic scholarship.

I know Menlo is - all aid is based on financial need, but the reference to division 2 as non scholarship sort of conflicts with the NAIA's statement that approx. 90% of NAIA schools offer athletic scholarships, doesn't it?

Just taking the raw numbers, they say that they have approx. 283 members overall so about 255 would offer some sort of athletic scholarships, so less than 30 don't offer athletic scholarships.  To me, something isn't fitting.

Also, Cal-Pac doesn't have baseball as an official sport -
The NAIA lists the GSAC and then a number of independents (5)  under Region 2 -

The weird thing is that Menlo is D3 for baseball and the NAIA still lists them with a notation that they do not participate in post season for baseball. (Same with Cal State - East Bay).

[BigPoppa]

I think Menlo has a dual membership but chooses only to play the NCAA post season. They actually have a much better chance of making the NCAA postseaon than the NAIA due to all the NAIA schools in the GSAC offering $$ to kids for athletics.

Confused??? Well, I was a coach at an NAIA for three years and still never fully understood it all. It's a weird system with schools that are both NCAA/NAIA...

You may be right that all CAL-PAC schools are cosidered independents in NAIA Region II/ NCAA West Region... it's still a mystery to me.

[Tom Brady]

BigPopa-  I was just kidding around.  Somebody has to play Cal Tech, just not my Alma Mater Cal Lu, not Pomona.  No worries though.

[BigPoppa]

BigPopa-  I was just kidding around.  Somebody has to play Cal Tech, just not my Alma Mater Cal Lu, not Pomona.  No worries though.

Wildthing... sorry... I thought you were a Pitzer guy... my bad!

Speaking of Cal LU... I see that Hirsch in doing quite well in his professional career.

[Tom Brady]

Popa-  No worries bro, hell, I don't even know what a Pitzer is...
Hirsh is doing very well.  I was there long before him but from what I hear he has become a much better pitcher in the minors.  I see that he is on the Astros 40 man roster.  Anyone have any idea who the last SCIAC player was to reach the majors???  Just wondering.

[Gray Fox]

I found this on the Cal Tech website.

  Caltech has announced plans to rejoin the SCIAC as full member in baseball for the 2006-07 academic year.

[rbaikie]

Gray Fox -

When you said that- I had to look for myself -

Don't know how they are going to pull that one off - recruiting is near impossible there outside of academics and their current roster has only 16 players on it!

And with those players, they have been getting beaten going against the number 3, 4, 5 pitchers of the SCIAC teams that they do play - what happens when they have to play 3 games in a weekend series -

Not to be a smart***, but do they have a mercy rule of some sort?

[Browneagle64]

Glad to see that a message board exist for d-3 baseball.

I have to agree with people who had mention what the outcome in the SCIAC would look like. In my opinion, i think Cal Lu will sit at the top, while the Leo's stay behind them.

One surprise this year will be Oxy. From what i undertsand they are deep with players and boys that want to improve a strugglin program. Look for Oxy to be a spoiler.

One other note, I think Whitter will also try to be at the top by playing good games this season. Their pitching staff looks pretty good and are coming off of a learning year.

[BigPoppa]

One other note, I think Whitter will also try to be at the top by playing good games this season. Their pitching staff looks pretty good and are coming off of a learning year.

... but they are nicknamed the Poets!!!! I find it hard to consider that intimidating. I guess it is scarier than the Hustlin' Quakers of Muskingum College.

[David Collinge]

One other note, I think Whitter will also try to be at the top by playing good games this season. Their pitching staff looks pretty good and are coming off of a learning year.

... but they are nicknamed the Poets!!!! I find it hard to consider that intimidating. I guess it is scarier than the Hustlin' Quakers of Muskingum College.

Muskingum is the Fighting Muskies, a very nasty looking fish.  The Quakers in their conference (the OAC) reside in Wilmington.  There are other Quakers, notably at Earlham College (NCAC) and, at the D1 level, at the University of Pennsylvania. 

Anyway, Poets can be downright scary.  The pen is, after all, mightier than the sword!  If nothing else, you could stab a Banana Slug with one. 

[BigPoppa]

You're right on the Earlham being the Hustlin' Quakers... good catch!

Sometimes, I wonder how I make it through the day without tripping over myself more than I do.

[pomonaalum]

Believe there are 3 PP alums who played in the minors last year.

Jose Cortez, Jase Turner and Adam Gardner.  After a monster career, looks like Cortez is having trouble hitting at the minor league level.  Turner had a good start to his pro career after being drafted in '05.  Gardner looks to be pitching mostly in relief, but doing pretty well.  Of the three, he's the only one that I never saw play.