BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[dahlby]

Not a SCIAC school, but for those interested, Chapman over U of Dallas 11-1 in first game of twin-bill.
Games against Dallas and Redlands next week could have SCIAC implications for seeding.

[dahlby]

Friday result from Redlands, Chapman 28-9 over Redlands. Twin bill at Chapman on Saturday. Redlands needs  to sweep to stay in contention for Pool C bid.

[clu fan]

Please help cal lu fan. Any news if cal lu has a chance at any regionals ? Im new to d3 baseball .It seems they are the hottest team right now in the sciac. Thanks for the help

[dahlby]

clu fan, May I be the first to welcome you to the boards. IMHO I would have to say it's doubtful.

[Ralph Turner]

Please help cal lu fan. Any news if cal lu has a chance at any regionals ? Im new to d3 baseball .It seems they are the hottest team right now in the sciac. Thanks for the help

To affirm what dahlby said, welcome aboard.

According to the Terms of Service, I will merge this topic into SCIAC board.

4. No one team needs a conversation of its own. If there is already a conversation about that team's conference, I will remove the new conversation. If there is no conversation about that team's conference, I will rename the new conversation to make it more inclusive.

Glad to have new posters checking.  The baseball boards keep going strong into June.

Also, please join us on the Football and Soccer boards next fall.   

[D O.C.]

Very honorable season for the Pitz guys....

http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/d3baseball-allamericans-2010.pdf

[ppfm]

Congratulations to James Kang, Pomona Pitzer shortstop who was drafted by the Boston Red Sox in round 45!  He has been such a significant presence on the team, as well as a truly great young man with deep leadership skills.  He follows the strong legacy left by Drew Hedman (drafted last year by the Red Sox and now playing High A on the Salem, VA Red Sox).  And don't worry---there are others presently on the team who will continue a great tradition.

[CrashDavisD3]

Chapman and SCIAC
http://www.highlandnews.net/articles/2010/08/12/sports/doc4c647c41604c5142467685.txt

[Ralph Turner]

Chapman and SCIAC
http://www.highlandnews.net/articles/2010/08/12/sports/doc4c647c41604c5142467685.txt

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What did it say?

[CrashDavisD3]

Chapman and SCIAC
http://www.highlandnews.net/articles/2010/08/12/sports/doc4c647c41604c5142467685.txt

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What did it say?

On the date I put the link up it was available to view for free. It has gone to archive and it now costs.

It was one persons view on why Chapman will never be in the SCIAC...many others share that same view.although it makes no logical sense....

3 West D3 independents have left the NCAA, Menlo, Cal State East Bay and La Sierra...That being said that is 6 in region games lost to Chapman..The SCIAC also went to 4 game series inside the SCIAC for baseball...This also results in less games for Chapman with SCIAC teams and less in region games.....Along with this the Pool B shrinks each year....6 to 4 to ?

It makes sense for Chapman to join the SCIAC....The SCIAC gets penalized with poor SOS when playing Cal Tech but gains when playing Chapman...This hurts SCIAC Pool C bids..Its it fear of competion.....dont think so...Pomona, Redlands, Cal Lu all play Chapman tough and compete,,,,,Occidental, Whittier,La Verne,Claremont all have got wins over Chapman over the years......

[CrashDavisD3]

2011 SCIAC BASEBALL SCHEDULE
http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2010-11/schedule

2011 Team near Disneyland BASEBALL SCHEDULE BUT NOT IN SCIAC
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/schedule

[CrashDavisD3]

October 26, 2010

Chapman applies for admission to SCIAC

Will SCIAC vote Chapman In or out ?

OXYBOB will vote NO....

Crash votes YES  

The shrinking number of independent teams in D3 especially the West Region has made this a necessity. Cal State East Bay went to D2, Menlo, La Sierra all went to NAIA. University of Dallas to join SCAC Conference in 2012.

http://static.psbin.com/j/q/y1lynr7rkwoj53/CU_Membership_App_Release_10.25.10.pdf

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/information/releases/1026

Chapman was in the SCIAC Before.
1950   Chapman College begins competition as an associate member in baseball, basketball and tennis
1952   Chapman's association ends

[El Hombre]

Questions to all . . .
(1)  What are the advantages or disadvantages for a school to stay Independent?
(2)  What is the advantage for Chapman to join the SCIAC?
(3)  Is it beneficial for the SCIAC to accept Chapman?  If not, why?

[CrashDavisD3]

Questions to all . . .
(1)  What are the advantages or disadvantages for a school to stay Independent?
(2)  What is the advantage for Chapman to join the SCIAC?
(3)  Is it beneficial for the SCIAC to accept Chapman?  If not, why?

Questions to all . . .
(1)  What are the advantages or disadvantages for a school to stay Independent?
Freedom to not schedule weaker teams. Difficult to fill schedule with local D3 schools.
Each year becomes more difficult to reach playoffs as a independent team since
they get no automatic playoff bids like most conferences winners do in D3.
No guarantee they will win the SCIAC or get a playoff bid. The SCIAC has some very good
teams and do beat Chapman several times each year.

(2)  What is the advantage for Chapman to join the SCIAC?
More games will be scheduled with local D3 Schools. Less games will be needed with non D3 schools.
Less travel to fill in full schedule of games.

(3)  Is it beneficial for the SCIAC to accept Chapman?
Will strengthen the conference. A natural fit with other schools. Chapman already plays
most SCIAC schools several times a year. Several existing rivalries will be strenghten
with more games. More competition for both Chapman and other SCIAC teams. All teams
in SCIAC are located within reasonable driving distances for games. Several teams have left
D3 in CA. Cal State East Bay, Menlo College and La Sierra. Also Independent D3 University of
Dallas also is joining a conference in the future. So less teams for Chapman to play that
they have played in past years.

If not, why?
Someone with the history of WHY Chapman left the SCIAC in 1952 and was not allowed back in
since then will need to be answered by people who have been around the SCIAC for a while.
I have heard there have been reasons/issues in the past but I have no knowledge of what
those were. Hopefully all have been resolved because it would great to see Chapman
join the SCIAC conference.

These comments are my own personal opinion only !!. I can not speak for others

[utilitycat17]

Questions to all . . .
(1)  What are the advantages or disadvantages for a school to stay Independent?
(2)  What is the advantage for Chapman to join the SCIAC?
(3)  Is it beneficial for the SCIAC to accept Chapman?  If not, why?

Chapman joining the SCIAC for baseball is not really a good thing for anyone.  The current schools would likely not be happy, and Chapman loses their flexibility.  They used to be able to avoid the 6 games against Cal Tech and Oxy, although they have been playing Oxy lately because they have elevated their game some.  Chapman also would have to win the SCIAC now to make the playoffs, or get lucky with a pool C bid.  They would not have made the playoffs 2 years ago if this would have been the case, and they finished 3rd at the World Series that year.  However, this is not really a baseball decision.  Chapman Baseball has been fine as an Independent, and will probably be mostly unchanged in the SCIAC, if accepted.  This is for the other sports programs at Chapman.  The Basketball team can't find anyone to play them and Football would benefit from a conference schedule.  The thought is the entire athletic program would be more credible if it were in a conference.

If not, why?
Someone with the history of WHY Chapman left the SCIAC in 1952 and was not allowed back in
since then will need to be answered by people who have been around the SCIAC for a while.
I have heard there have been reasons/issues in the past but I have no knowledge of what
those were. Hopefully all have been resolved because it would great to see Chapman
join the SCIAC conference.

I don't know for certain what happened in 1952, but I do know that Chapman has been a member of almost every conceivable division of the NCAA in that time frame.  They likely left the SCIAC for another division.  As for why they haven't been accepted to the SCIAC since they have been a member of D3, it has always been my understanding that it was because of the school's academic standards.  The SCIAC didn't think Chapman was at the same academic level as the other schools.  Chapman has been improving in that area year by year.  They must feel the time was right to try this again.