BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Teddy_Ballgame]

It's true that the NWC did pretty well against the SCIAC at the start of the year but I think you have to look at which teams they were- Redlands, Whittier, La Verne. Fox swept Oxy, Fox beat Pomona, Pomona beat PLU and got swept by Linfid.  Cal Lu has only played PLU (beat them) and I am not sure if Chapman has played a NWC school this year. Chapman struggled on their trip to TX but I can assure you that Chapman is a much better team now.

The SCIAC's best can compete with the NWC's beat and the best in TX and I think they showed that last year in the regional.

Fair point, especially re: Chapman. They've been one of the hottest teams in the West... And two of those losses were to Trinity who's obviously pretty damn good.

I think there's also a good argument for PLU over Fox once you look a little deeper than NWC standings...
Take out their non-DIII games and I think they're 21-11.
Most importantly they took 2/3 from Fox (not to mention swept Willamette who swept Fox).
They're 5-2 against the SCIAC (losses to CLU, PP and wins against WC, ULV, WC, CMSx2).
And I'm pretty sure they have the strongest SOS in the West (need to go double check on that).

Thoughts?

[Jack Parkman]

It's true that the NWC did pretty well against the SCIAC at the start of the year but I think you have to look at which teams they were- Redlands, Whittier, La Verne. Fox swept Oxy, Fox beat Pomona, Pomona beat PLU and got swept by Linfid.  Cal Lu has only played PLU (beat them) and I am not sure if Chapman has played a NWC school this year. Chapman struggled on their trip to TX but I can assure you that Chapman is a much better team now.

The SCIAC's best can compete with the NWC's beat and the best in TX and I think they showed that last year in the regional.

Fair point, especially re: Chapman. They've been one of the hottest teams in the West... And two of those losses were to Trinity who's obviously pretty damn good.

I think there's also a good argument for PLU over Fox once you look a little deeper than NWC standings...
Take out their non-DIII games and I think they're 21-11.
Most importantly they took 2/3 from Fox (not to mention swept Willamette who swept Fox).
They're 5-2 against the SCIAC (losses to CLU, PP and wins against WC, ULV, WC, CMSx2).
And I'm pretty sure they have the strongest SOS in the West (need to go double check on that).

Thoughts?

agreed. I would think PLU would be higher but what do I know?  GF still has Linfield on the schedule and that could hurt them or really help them. They are a few minutes from Linfiels so who knows what might happen there.
If Cal Lu and Chapman play for the title I think both get in. If Cal lulu wins the SCIAC tourney I think it will be tough for Chapman to get I. Simply because they will have 2 more losses.

[Teddy_Ballgame]

P-P blows another late lead and falls to ULV 6-3. They are effectively eliminated from the 4 seed.

With Oxy's win over CIT and Redlands' win over CMS yesterday, there's a three way tie for fourth at 13-12 going into the afternoon games.

Chapman and Oxy should be a very good, and very significant game this afternoon. A Chapman win keeps them in the hunt for the #1 seed, while an Oxy win gives them a leg up for the 4 seed (as they hold the tiebreakers).

I expect CLU to take care of business against Redlands, but if UR can pull it out that would be HUGE for them. CLU wants and expects a win in their quest for the 1 seed.

And ULV could put themselves in a comparatively great position if they can beat Whittier and get losses from Oxy/UR.

....

Quick PP homer rant:
Was surprised to see them lose again late so I went back through some of the numbers. This was an overall decent team that hit the ball well but just couldn't hold leads or give the offense much opportunity to come back late in games. Few interesting stats:

-In over half of of PP's SCIAC losses (8/15), the were leading or tied in the 7th inning or later.
-Overall, PP was 1-17 when tied or trailing after the 6th inning
-Though they outscored opponents 99-90 in the first three innings of games, they were outscored 119-89 from the 7th inning on. Within that, they were outscored 37-8 in the ninth inning or later.
-PP gave up 217 earned runs and scored 216 earned runs, but were still outscored by 27 runs overall.
-28% of the runs PP gave up were unearned.

Basically, the issues this year were in the bullpen and on defense. Many of the errors I recall being late in games. The silver lining is that next year they only lose 36 of 314 innings on the mound, and one bat from the starting lineup (their 8 hitter). They are expecting a LOT of pitching coming in (7 Pitcher onlys and 4 dual guys), plus Rosenbaum and Yen should be healthy and throwing. The young arms that threw this year will be more experienced (I think Gerics has the stuff to be a very successful pitcher in the SCIAC). I expect big things from them, but tough to see such a down year given the success this program has seen in the last decade.
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[Teddy_Ballgame]

Chapman beats Oxy 2-1
ULV beats Whittier 12-2
CLU beats Redlands 5-4

Updated Standings:
1. CLU 20-6 (v. ULV, v. CIT)
2. CU 20-6 (v. UR, v. PP)
3. WC 17-9 (v. Oxy, v. CMS)
4. ULV 14-12 (@ CLU, @CIT)
5. Oxy 13-13 (@ WC, @CMS)

6. UR 13-13 (@CU, @PP)

Eliminated:
7. PP 11-15
8. CMS 9-17
9. CIT 0-26

ULV is a game up on Redlands, with a Cal Tech game to play meaning their worst finish would be 15-13. Even if Redlands wins out, that would leave them in a tie with La Verne who holds the tiebreaker (as does Oxy if they win out). So Redlands is pretty much eliminated.

That means ULV advances to the tournament with a win against CLU or an Oxy loss to Whittier or CMS. Whittier is reeling and ULV hasn't beaten CLU yet this year, so the fight for the four seed is still very much alive.

CLU also has a Cal Tech game, so Chapman would have to beat Redlands and PP and hope La Verne pulls out a game against CLU in order to get the one seed. I don't see that happening.

My predicted final seedings:
1. CLU
2. CU
3. WC (already locked in)
4. ULV

5. Oxy
6. UR
7. PP
8. CMS
9. CIT

[SoCalSoxFan]

Chapman beats Oxy 2-1
ULV beats Whittier 12-2
CLU beats Redlands 5-4

Updated Standings:
1. CLU 20-6 (v. ULV, v. CIT)
2. CU 20-6 (v. UR, v. PP)
3. WC 17-9 (v. Oxy, v. CMS)
4. ULV 14-12 (@ CLU, @CIT)
5. Oxy 13-13 (@ WC, @CMS)

6. UR 13-13 (@CU, @PP)

Eliminated:
7. PP 11-15
8. CMS 9-17
9. CIT 0-26

ULV is a game up on Redlands, with a Cal Tech game to play meaning their worst finish would be 15-13. Even if Redlands wins out, that would leave them in a tie with La Verne who holds the tiebreaker (as does Oxy if they win out). So Redlands is pretty much eliminated.

That means ULV advances to the tournament with a win against CLU or an Oxy loss to Whittier or CMS. Whittier is reeling and ULV hasn't beaten CLU yet this year, so the fight for the four seed is still very much alive.

CLU also has a Cal Tech game, so Chapman would have to beat Redlands and PP and hope La Verne pulls out a game against CLU in order to get the one seed. I don't see that happening.

My predicted final seedings:
1. CLU
2. CU
3. WC (already locked in)
4. ULV

5. Oxy
6. UR
7. PP
8. CMS
9. CIT

Teddy, I read through all of this and I can't disagree.  After Sundays LV vs CLU, everything will be decided.   If CLU wins, they are #1.  If they lose, CU can win out and be #1.

[Colorado]

That finish sounds about right. Oxy had its chances to knock off Chapman yesterday but left 12 runners on base (8 in scoring position) and lost it in the 9th on a muffed GB that should've been the 3rd out. Oxy's Kling deserved a better fate. He doesn't throw that hard but his ball moves all over the place and CU's line up had its struggles trying to square up on the ball.  My question is what is the conference tournament format after the first round?

[CrashDavisD3]

It appears that the seeding for SCIAC tournament is set to me.

1. CLU
2. CU
3. Whittier
4. La Verne

[Jack Parkman]

It appears that the seeding for SCIAC tournament is set to me.

1. CLU
2. CU
3. Whittier
4. La Verne

I could be wrong but if Oxy and La Verne both win on Tuesday I believe Oxy will get the #4 seed since they have the tie-breaker with La Verne.

[Teddy_Ballgame]

It appears that the seeding for SCIAC tournament is set to me.

1. CLU
2. CU
3. Whittier
4. La Verne

I could be wrong but if Oxy and La Verne both win on Tuesday I believe Oxy will get the #4 seed since they have the tie-breaker with La Verne.

That's correct. La Verne needed to beat CLU in order to get the 4 seed wrapped up. Now they'll have to hope Oxy drops their game against CMS. Not likely... And technically if Redlands were to win, Oxy lost to CMS, AND ULV lost to Cal Tech ( ) then Redlands would be the 4 seed.

So basically, assuming an Oxy win against CMS:
1. Cal Lu
2. Chapman
3. Whittier
4. Occidental

[SoCalSoxFan]

That finish sounds about right. Oxy had its chances to knock off Chapman yesterday but left 12 runners on base (8 in scoring position) and lost it in the 9th on a muffed GB that should've been the 3rd out. Oxy's Kling deserved a better fate. He doesn't throw that hard but his ball moves all over the place and CU's line up had its struggles trying to square up on the ball.  My question is what is the conference tournament format after the first round?

I expect they'll keep it same as last year:

Fri. #3 at 2
Fri. #4 at 1

Sat at #1- winners play
- Losers play
- Winner of losers play loser of winners

Sun at Highest remaining Seed
- Winner of third Sat game plays winner of winners for championship.
- second game if necessary

[CrashDavisD3]

Looks like Seeds 1,2,3 are wrapped up with seed #4 TBD this week for the conference tournament.

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2013-14/standings

[CrashDavisD3]

Looks like Seeds 1,2,3 are wrapped up with seed #4 TBD this week for the conference tournament.

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2013-14/standings

If Occidental wins they will be #4 seed.
If Occidental loses and La Verne and Redlands lose then Occidental will be #4 seed
If Occidental loses and La Verne wins and Redlands loses then La Verne will be #4 seed
If Redland wins and La Verne and Occidental loses then Redlands will be #4 seed

Am I right ?

[108 Stitches]

We need Abbott and Costello....

[SoCalSoxFan]

Looks like Seeds 1,2,3 are wrapped up with seed #4 TBD this week for the conference tournament.

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2013-14/standings

If Occidental wins they will be #4 seed.
If Occidental loses and La Verne and Redlands lose then Occidental will be #4 seed
If Occidental loses and La Verne wins and Redlands loses then La Verne will be #4 seed
If Redland wins and La Verne and Occidental loses then Redlands will be #4 seed

Am I right ?

Yes,  and also:

If Occidental loses and La Verne and Redlands win, then LaVerne will be #4 seed.

LaVerne will be scoreboard watching to see if CMS, who is 1-1 at home vs Occi, can win.

[Colorado]

Just lobbing this one out there: Laverty told his team in passing that if Oxy and LV or Redlands end up with the same record, there will be a "play in" game tomorrow rather than a head to head tiebreaker. This is in accordance with the "conference by laws". The tiebreaker is to be used for seeding purposes.  I guess we will find out.