BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Whatagame]

Love your gumption Purple Heys!!!  Go get 'em this weekend!

[Purplebaseball]

Well said PH!

[Jim Dixon]

I noted that Adrian has defeated Olivet 39 straight times.  Does anyone know the SCIAC team with the longest win streak against CalTech?

[Jack Parkman]

I noted that Adrian has defeated Olivet 39 straight times.  Does anyone know the SCIAC team with the longest win streak against CalTech?

I would have to say Oxy since I believe they have been in the SCIAC the longest (I think).

[Teddy_Ballgame]

I noted that Adrian has defeated Olivet 39 straight times.  Does anyone know the SCIAC team with the longest win streak against CalTech?

I would have to say Oxy since I believe they have been in the SCIAC the longest (I think).

So it's true that Oxy and Redlands are the only ones who have an uninterrupted membership from the beginning, but a brief SCIAC history:
-Oxy, CIT, Pomona, Redlands and Whittier are all founding members from way back in 1915 (100th anniversary?!?).
-ULV joined in 1926
-Both CIT and Pomona left for a few years in the 1930's
-Whittier left for a few years in the 1940's
-Pomona and Claremont were combined for about 10 years in the 40's and 50's etc.
-Claremont broke off and joined Mudd in 1958
-CLU joined in 1991
-Source: http://thesciac.org/information/about/index (and yeah, UCLA used to be a SCIAC school).

So it's a complex history and tough to estimate who would have the longest streak if it went back that far. However, from what I remember hearing CIT won some conference games in the 80's. I have no idea where the conference standings could be found from thirty years ago though :/

Chapman almost certainly does not have the longest streak, as they didn't play CIT for a number of years when they weren't in SCIAC (though they played everyone else) and CLU spent time in DII and hasn't been around that long.

The other six schools probably have win streaks that are reaching or have gone well beyond the triple digits if you figure 3 to 4 (and sometimes now 5 with round robin) matchups a year. I wish I knew more, but I would depending on how bad they were and how good other squads were in the 70's and 80's, I wouldn't be surprised if we were talking 150+ games.

[Lets Play Two]

I would agree that Oxy has the longest winning streak vs. Caltech.  The Beavers beat the Poets, 6-5 in 1988.

[Teddy_Ballgame]

I would agree that Oxy has the longest winning streak vs. Caltech.  The Beavers beat the Poets, 6-5 in 1988.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. How does a Whittier loss in 1988 eliminate Redlands, PP, ULV, or Claremont from the mix? All four schools have also been in the SCIAC since at least 1958... and if Caltech was winning games in the 80's, I would be surprised if the longest winning streak was older than 1958. Anybody know if Caltech had the same reputation for losing in the 70's, 60's, 50's... etc.?

Also was that 1988 game definitely Caltech's last SCIAC win?

Regardless, it would be a really interesting question to figure out. Anyone know how it could be done? Talking to SIDs or SCIAC officials...?

[Teddy_Ballgame]

On a totally different note, just looked through the SCIAC standings and the various records through the last 10 games are...
6-4 (P-P, Oxy, Chapman, Redlands)
5-5 (La Verne)
4-6 (Cal Lu, CMS)
3-7 (Whittier)
2-8 (Cal Tech)

I'd venture to say this is probably the first time in decades that the difference between the top record and bottom record in the last 10 games was only four games.

http://thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2014-15/standings

[Jack Parkman]

I would agree that Oxy has the longest winning streak vs. Caltech.  The Beavers beat the Poets, 6-5 in 1988.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. How does a Whittier loss in 1988 eliminate Redlands, PP, ULV, or Claremont from the mix? All four schools have also been in the SCIAC since at least 1958... and if Caltech was winning games in the 80's, I would be surprised if the longest winning streak was older than 1958. Anybody know if Caltech had the same reputation for losing in the 70's, 60's, 50's... etc.?

Also was that 1988 game definitely Caltech's last SCIAC win?

Regardless, it would be a really interesting question to figure out. Anyone know how it could be done? Talking to SIDs or SCIAC officials...?

Here is a full list of Caltech's all-time schedule/results.  Looks like they beat Pomona in 1983.

http://static.psbin.com/l/j/68lj3wor6gylb2/Entire_Baseball_Results.pdf

[Westside]

According to the site:

Caltech last beat CMS - 1980
Caltech last beat Oxy - 1973
Caltech last beat La Verna - 1960
Caltech last beat Redlands - 1958

I don't think I missed any earlier ones. So there you go!

[Bishopleftiesdad]

I would agree that Oxy has the longest winning streak vs. Caltech.  The Beavers beat the Poets, 6-5 in 1988.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. How does a Whittier loss in 1988 eliminate Redlands, PP, ULV, or Claremont from the mix? All four schools have also been in the SCIAC since at least 1958... and if Caltech was winning games in the 80's, I would be surprised if the longest winning streak was older than 1958. Anybody know if Caltech had the same reputation for losing in the 70's, 60's, 50's... etc.?

Also was that 1988 game definitely Caltech's last SCIAC win?

Regardless, it would be a really interesting question to figure out. Anyone know how it could be done? Talking to SIDs or SCIAC officials...?

you should find all the info you need here:
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch
do a search on Caltech. All the old records have been scanned in by the NCAA.

[Jim Dixon]

Here is a list forwarded to me:

Team:                   Last loss to CalTech (current win streak)
Chapman:            1954  (16)
Redlands:            1959  (159)
La Verne:             1960  (130)
Cal Lutheran:       1963  (79)
Occidental:           1973  (125)
Claremont-M-S:    1980  (97)
Pomona-Pitzer:    1983  (94)
Whittier:               1988  (74)

Obviously the sooner you joined the SCIAC the longer your streak.  NAIA Chapman did not schedule CalTech back in the day and now D-III SCIAC Chapman is getting in their wins.

[dahlby]

Jim,
I don't believe Chapman was ever NAIA. They were previously college division or D2.

[Jim Dixon]

Jim,
I don't believe Chapman was ever NAIA. They were previously college division or D2.

They could have been D-II.  My knowledge of NAIA and D-II is pretty poor.  I made that assumption since there are quite a few NAIA teams in S. California.

[CrashDavisD3]

Jim,
I don't believe Chapman was ever NAIA. They were previously college division or D2.

They could have been D-II.  My knowledge of NAIA and D-II is pretty poor.  I made that assumption since there are quite a few NAIA teams in S. California.

Chapman has won a D-II National Championship(1968) and D-III(2003). They never were NAIA although played many NAIA teams in CA over the years. At one time it also played games against a lot if D-I teams.