BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[NWBaseballFan10]

I don't know the process, but I am sure the committee is looking at W/L the last 10 games of the year to see how the team is performing going into the tournament, and I agree with BigPoppa that you don't lose to a team like CMS heading into the conf tournament. I am sure there was a huge letdown from the CLU series the prior week-end but championship teams win those types of games. It will be interesting to see where Oxy is when the regional rankings come out.

That's why the games are played and decided on the field and not on paper

[BigPoppa]

I don't know the process, but I am sure the committee is looking at W/L the last 10 games of the year to see how the team is performing going into the tournament, and I agree with BigPoppa that you don't lose to a team like CMS heading into the conf tournament. I am sure there was a huge letdown from the CLU series the prior week-end but championship teams win those types of games. It will be interesting to see where Oxy is when the regional rankings come out.

Unless things have changed, "the last 10 games" has no bearing on their selections... a game in Feb/March counts just as much as a mid-May game.

[Bmo]

According to this link, Win-Loss Percentage in the last 25% of the season is part of the primary selection criteria this year.  It is qualified with "if applicable", whatever that means.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIIIMBAPreChampsManual_20150203.pdf

[BigPoppa]

According to this link, Win-Loss Percentage in the last 25% of the season is part of the primary selection criteria this year.  It is qualified with "if applicable", whatever that means.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIIIMBAPreChampsManual_20150203.pdf

That means they CAN use it if they want then, but not required to... makes it much more subjective. This must be a new criteria as I don't think it was used before (I always defer to Ralph on these things).

[Sluggerdad]

According to this link, Win-Loss Percentage in the last 25% of the season is part of the primary selection criteria this year.  It is qualified with "if applicable", whatever that means.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIIIMBAPreChampsManual_20150203.pdf

That means they CAN use it if they want then, but not required to... makes it much more subjective. This must be a new criteria as I don't think it was used before (I always defer to Ralph on these things).

I think it's a good thing.  Wouldn't want to overly reward teams for a hot or cold start.   I mean if a team gets hot down the stretch after a cold start or cold down the stretch after a hot start, but otherwise have similar records, strength of schedule,  wouldn't you prefer to have the hot hand in rather than the cold hand?

[108 Stitches]

Of course Regional rankings are on the full schedule, but if it was me and I was sitting down trying to determine the last few slots in a Regional I am going to take a team that is playing better at the end of the season than one who might have been strong early and faded as others around them got better. These are purely hypothetical of course.

[BigPoppa]

First Ranking is out:

West Region
1    Trinity (Texas)    30-7-0 ( 0.811)    32-7-0 ( 0.821)
2    Occidental    28-5-0 ( 0.848)    28-6-0 ( 0.824)
3    Whitworth    27-10-0 ( 0.730)    27-10-0 ( 0.730)
4    Cal Lutheran    24-10-0 ( 0.706)    24-11-0 ( 0.686)
5    Concordia (Texas)    21-12-0 ( 0.636)    24-12-0 ( 0.667)
6    Texas Lutheran     24-13-0 ( 0.649)    24-13-0 ( 0.649)

[Ralph Turner]

I don't know the process, but I am sure the committee is looking at W/L the last 10 games of the year to see how the team is performing going into the tournament, and I agree with BigPoppa that you don't lose to a team like CMS heading into the conf tournament. I am sure there was a huge letdown from the CLU series the prior week-end but championship teams win those types of games. It will be interesting to see where Oxy is when the regional rankings come out.

Last 10 games have not been a criterion in previous seasons.  (altho' I have not seen the 2016 Handbook).

[108 Stitches]

In another thread someone posted that the handbook has last 25% of the season to be weighted, but not sure what that means. 

[Ralph Turner]

In another thread someone posted that the handbook has last 25% of the season to be weighted, but not sure what that means. 

Thanks.  I will look for it.  +1!

[Sluggerdad]

I would agree with you. It will be interesting to see what the Regional rankings look like when they come out. As PLU showed, the most important thing is to get hot at the right time. I don't really like this whole round robin thing they do in the SCIAC as teams like CalTech should not be playing in it and are pretty much meaningless for a team like Oxy, actually it hurts them as their SOS drops and many times teams play down to their competition.

Presuming Oxy gets through the 4 game RR unscathed and they finish at least 2nd in the tourney, I have a hard time thinking they won't be in.  If Oxy does a 2 and a BBQ in the SCIAC tourney, it could be trouble for them.   A 2nd place Oxy tourney finish hurts Whitworth.

Otherwise I think this most hurts the second place SCIAC tourney team unless it's Oxy.

This afternoon provided a prime example of the RR games hindering a top team's Pool C chances. A loss for Oxy against CMS is just one more potential nail the selection committee can use against Oxy if they don't win the SCIAC tourney.

Oxy lost to PP today.   Unless they win the tourney, they are probably going nowhere.

[Jack Parkman]

Another loss for Oxy and a SOS of 191 (with Caltech later today) is not a good trend for Oxy.  Being ranked #2 in the West still has them in a pretty good spot right now, but crazier things have happened.

[108 Stitches]

In another thread someone posted that the handbook has last 25% of the season to be weighted, but not sure what that means. 

Thanks.  I will look for it.  +1!

Ralph I am so stupid it is in this thread 4-5 posts up.

"According to this link, Win-Loss Percentage in the last 25% of the season is part of the primary selection criteria this year.  It is qualified with "if applicable", whatever that means. "

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIIIMBAPreChampsManual_20150203.pdf

[SoCalBaseballfan]

Another loss for Oxy and a SOS of 191 (with Caltech later today) is not a good trend for Oxy.  Being ranked #2 in the West still has them in a pretty good spot right now, but crazier things have happened.

I finally return to this board. I have been off for a long time formerly as CD3. I see Chapman made it to the SCIAC playoff round. Good to season the program having some success. Will the West region get 6 teams in the regional playoffs in 2016 Regional. Teams should treat their Conference as their 1st round if they want to move on to the . Lose and staying home is a real possibility, Occidental has not helped itself with losses in the Round Robin games

[Purple Heys]

Had Oxy lost to Whittier yesterday, it probably would have become a certainty that they would have to win the SCIAC tourney to advance to NCAA's.  As it stands, their grip on an At-Large bid may be slipping.