BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[snoop dawg]

BE       No your not, and you are one of the most loyal Oxy fans on this board.  I wish UR had more fans like you.  However, your loyalty might be tested this baseball season.  l am sure you will survive.  Good luck to the Tigers this season    I hope thy finish in second place!

[Tom Brady]

Good article on the front page about Cal Lu and the new stadium.  It really is a beautiful place to watch a game.  Hope all of the teams coming from the East Coast enjoy it.

[utilitycat17]

Does anyone know where I could find some decent pictures of Cal Lu's new ball park?  I went to their website and couldn't find any.  You'd think they would be front and center.  I may have just missed them though.  Any help would be appreciated.

[Browneagle64]

Congrats to the dawgs on pulling off a win against the stags.

For a second I thought that the stags where going to surprise the dawgs with a victory on friday, but was yet again mistaken on the power that the dawgs are currently growing with.

Seems like my surprise team of 07 is still in the hunt to be the dream spoiler. I hope when they meet the dawgs again, the stags will be able to pull one away from them.

heres what CMS did over the weekend.
And yes, my tigers almost beat them on sunday but gave up some very costly runs.

FRI Mar. 9 REDLANDS 13-15 7-8
SAT Mar. 10 CAL STATE EAST BAY 5-8 7-9
SUN Mar. 11 DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY 9-0 8-9
  Mar. 11 OCCIDENTAL 14-9

[Browneagle64]

btw,

even though the kingmens got a sweep over the beavers this weekend, i was in shock and surprised to hear all over east Pasadena how the beavers got jumped on 31-1 on fridays game. I am not sure what Cal Lu's coaching staff had in mind when the score passed 15-o, but this is just horrible and uncalled for. I do give my hats off to the beavers for still playing, but to run the score like that for one day is just aweful.
 
Saturday, Mar 3, 2007  Caltech -SCIAC  Home  11:00 AM W 19-0 
Saturday, Mar 3, 2007  Caltech -SCIAC  Home  2:00 PM W 11-0 

[utilitycat17]

Caltech Beavers        IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
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Comstock, M.........  5.2 25 29 27  3  1 43 58

Rough day at the ballpark for Comstock.

Caltech                IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
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Surduk, S...........  4.0 12 16  0  2  2 29 32

It's amazing what a few errors will do for your ERA.

I just thought I'd share those lines.  I've never quite seen anything like that before.

[Jim Dixon]

even though the kingmens got a sweep over the beavers this weekend, i was in shock and surprised to hear all over east Pasadena how the beavers got jumped on 31-1 on fridays game. I am not sure what Cal Lu's coaching staff had in mind when the score passed 15-o, but this is just horrible and uncalled for. I do give my hats off to the beavers for still playing, but to run the score like that for one day is just aweful.

The largest margin a team has come back from was 18 runs so I would score at least 19.

All stolen bases were in innings 1 or 2.  so it was not like Cal Lu was really trying hard to score more.   I would be critical if they continued to run. 

Some days it is not just your day  - and it happens to good teams - just not as often.

[snoop dawg]

In most sports, the problem a coach faces when he substitutes is, does he let his second and third team guys play or does he for example, like in football, just grind it out and run the ball or in basketball play a passive zone defense.  In baseball, you dont steal and you basically run from base to base and dont take the extra base even if you can.

Is it fair?  If you are the second string guy, dont you deserve the chance to play and show the coach what you can do?  It is a fine line for a coach to be fair to his players and not embarass the other team.  It looks to me like the CLU coach did a fine job of it.

After all you can't tell your players to try to not hit the ball, you cant stop the other team from making errors or walking batters.  Just my humble opinion.

[Browneagle64]

Snoop----

Those are good points that you bring up. You are right about having your 2nd and 3rd string guys in, but we all know how cal tech plays ball.

In my opinion if i were the coach i would have my starters and 2nds play game one on friday. then I would have Came out for the D.H. with my first string only playing for 4 innings on saturday and then let the rest of the guys play for reminding innings and the next game. In addition, I would have let me starters get a rest and had my other kids play. Maybe that would have cut the score to 20.
I understand that Cal Lu used whatever opportunity they could get from fridays game, but running the score on a low ranked team is not going to improve your game much better. Especially if you are playing against a team like the beavs.

[TeeDub]

In most sports, the problem a coach faces when he substitutes is, does he let his second and third team guys play or does he for example, like in football, just grind it out and run the ball or in basketball play a passive zone defense.  In baseball, you dont steal and you basically run from base to base and dont take the extra base even if you can.

Is it fair?  If you are the second string guy, dont you deserve the chance to play and show the coach what you can do?  It is a fine line for a coach to be fair to his players and not embarass the other team.  It looks to me like the CLU coach did a fine job of it.

After all you can't tell your players to try to not hit the ball, you cant stop the other team from making errors or walking batters.  Just my humble opinion.

This is interesting discussion.  The college basketball world faced a similar discussion this year when Lincoln (PA) played against lowly Ohio State - Marion and won the game 201-78.  Was it running up or not?  Many argued that it was.  Just as this discussion alludes to regarding the CLU vs. CIT game.

I'm sure if you were to poll the coaches and players...they would rather NOT play these games...even the guys on the bench.  They are actually stat killers, rather than stat builders.

[Jim Dixon]

I think it would be harder in baseball to take out your regulars since if you find yourself in trouble, you cannot replace your players.  If I was Lincoln I would not see my starting team in the second half  as long as the game was well inhand.

With as short as the season is you cannot let all your regulars rest since every game is important.  You also cannot let a game get away either since this game was a conference game.

[snoop dawg]

The inability to replace a starter does indeed make a difference in baseball, but if you have a 20 run lead, c'mon, play everyone in uniform.  If you get in trouble, bring a a closer to finish the game. 

I don't think CLU  tried to run it up, it's just the Beavers are that bad, sorry Beaver fans no malice intended. 

The main thing in this kind of game is to be respectful and always remember, you could be on the other end of the blowout some day.  Good sportsmanship is an absolute must under those circumstances.

A good example of letting the bench play was this year in football UR vs PP.  UR's third string was in the game and on third down they threw a pass that went for a TD.  I know there was discussion on the football board about this but, I can't think of a better example of what I posted earlier about, at least to some degree, letting the second and third string guys, play.  As the CLU coach, you can't tell your subs to not try hard at the plate, or to drop balls etc. 

Sometimes one team, no matter who they play, is just that much better than the other.

[Gray Fox]

A good example of letting the bench play was this year in football UR vs PP.  UR's third string was in the game and on third down they threw a pass that went for a TD.  I know there was discussion on the football board about this but, I can't think of a better example of what I posted earlier about, at least to some degree, letting the second and third string guys, play. 

That pass was not done in malice by the player or the coaching staff.  He was just doing as he was taught.  When you don't play much, you don't want to hold back.  I guess that is the purpose of this discussion.

[snoop dawg]

GF  Exactly my point.  The second and third string guys practice just as hard if not harder than the starters because they usually practice against the starters.  When they finally get in a game, they deserve a chance to actually play.  That doesn't mean you  have to run up the score on a lowly opponent, just let the kids play and have, FUN!

[BigPoppa]

btw,

even though the kingmens got a sweep over the beavers this weekend, i was in shock and surprised to hear all over east Pasadena how the beavers got jumped on 31-1 on fridays game. I am not sure what Cal Lu's coaching staff had in mind when the score passed 15-o, but this is just horrible and uncalled for. I do give my hats off to the beavers for still playing, but to run the score like that for one day is just aweful.
 

Were they supposed to put their subs in and tell them not to try too hard?! That would be more insulting to the team that lost.