BB: SCIAC: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[snoop dawg]

OB

My point is that when subs come into the game they deserve the chance to play, not just go through the motions, that is unfair to them. 

You obvioulsy have your opinions about the UR -PP game.  I see it differently, thats what makes America great, we can have different opinions.  But let me ask you this, you are the second or third string guy in any sport and you obviously want to be a starter, you finally get in a game, are you not going to try your best?In the UR-PP game you come in on third and tweleve, if that's what it was, and see a guy open down field wide open, are you saying the qb should'nt throw the ball to him? If there is blame to be had, blame the coach that called a pass play, not the kids that execute it. 

As Big Poppa said, I think that would be more of an insult to the losing team to not throw to the wide open guy, to not try to hit the ball in your at bat, or any other circumstance you can think of, than to try your best.

[BigPoppa]

My personal opinion is that if getting beat by a huge margins upsets you then you need to get better. Early in the season, teams are working on things for the season and deserve the chance to see if their players can do the job... regardless of the score. If Cal Tech is going to complain (which it appears they didn't) they should leave the SCIAC and find another conference to play in. If, on the other hand,  the fans are going to complain about the scores, then the comments should be taken with a grain of salt.

For the most part, fans watch (and complain) because they cannot play. If you wish to have an influence on the game you have two options: 1) earn a spot on the team and do your best to stop them from scoreing 31 runs, or 2) get a job as a coach and do your best to stop them from scoring 31 runs.

Sorry... just an opinion from a former college coach who both ran up scores and had it run up on me... neither of which phased me one bit.

[snoop dawg]

BP
Again I agree with you.

OB
I hear what you are saying and don't necessarily disagree with you.  The play was called to get a first down.  Three or four receivers go out on patterns.  One will go deep, others run various routes.  I seriously doubt the play was called to , "throw the bomb", but to get the first down.  The deep guy happened to be open, the third string qb completed a pass to the second string receiver and they got lucky.  Oh well, that's football.  Just like the CLU  subs kept getting their bats on the ball but the Beavers simply could not field it.  Oh well, tha's baseball.

[Tom Brady]

Interesting conversation going on here.  I leave for one day and I come back to 15 new posts I like it 8)

Here are some of my thoughts.....
Cal Tech has always been crushed by all of the teams in the SCIAC.  In their 9 conference games they have been outscored 171-11 so CLU putting up 31 is not something we should freak out about, besides, Redlands scored 30 and Snoop, you are not making a big deal out of that
I did some research on the 3 series that the Beavs have played.  Here are some of the things I found pretty interesting.
1. Total SB's in the 3 game series.  Redlands 24 CLU 11, OXY had 1 (no box for games 2 and 3
2. None of the SB's by CLU were after the 1st or 2nd inning.
In game 2 of the Redlands series, Muller stole 2nd in the 4th inning
In game 3, Redlands had 3 SB's in the 5th inning while leading 8-0
In game 3, Goldstein leads off the 6th with a double and steals 3rd right away up 10-0
OXY had its one SB in game 1 in the first inning (leadoff man)

Snoop- Obviously you didnt look at things hard enough and obviously you are pretty familiar with the Redlands team since you decided to "forget" to mention some of these things I have pointed out.  Cal Tech will continue to get crushed by everyone in the SCIAC.  I am sure they are very nice kids, but enough is enough, there is no place for them in the SCIAC.

As far as the backups are concerned, it does not matter if it is the 5th string guy on Cal Lu, Redlands or OXY, they are all going to be better than the Cal Tech kids.  Again, I see no reason the SCIAC teams should have to waste 3 games to play them.  Just my opinion!

[snoop dawg]

wt

I dont get it.  I am saying that CLU, DID NOTHING WRONG!  Even a cursory reading of my posts should indicate that I am sticking up for them. 

The bottom line is that the Beavers are just bad and they will continue to get blown out.  I feel sorry for them and admire the love for the game they must have to continually take such NON-MALICIOUS beatings.  Good Luck to the Beavers, I hope they beat someone soon.

[Tom Brady]

My bad Snoop.  I was thinking it was you who had mentioned the whole thing in the first place.  I retract my statement and not throw it all at BrownEagle.

[snoop dawg]

WT

No problem.  Lets hope the Beavers beat Oxy, that would relly depress BE!

[utilitycat17]

I'm a little bit surprised everyone is making such a big deal about Cal Lu beating Cal Tech so bad.  It's not like this was a non-conference game that Cal Lu was using to pad their schedule with. I guarantee that if you asked anyone associated with Cal Lu they prefer the years when they don't have to play Cal Tech.  I'm more surprised that there wasn't a bigger deal made about Millsaps beating Tougaloo College 32-0 and 16-0.  This was a non-conference double header against a team with a 15 man roster that won one game from 2002-2005.  You can't tell me they couldn't find someone better to play against.  Cal Lu has no choice in the matter.  They have to play those games. 

[snoop dawg]

The only one that made a stink was Browneagle, the rest of us didnt think CLU  was wrong.  You make a good point in that CLU didn't have a choice but to play the Beavers.  It's not like they went looking for a patsy to bulid stats or wins.

[frank_ezelle]

I'm a little bit surprised everyone is making such a big deal about Cal Lu beating Cal Tech so bad.  It's not like this was a non-conference game that Cal Lu was using to pad their schedule with. I guarantee that if you asked anyone associated with Cal Lu they prefer the years when they don't have to play Cal Tech.  I'm more surprised that there wasn't a bigger deal made about Millsaps beating Tougaloo College 32-0 and 16-0.  This was a non-conference double header against a team with a 15 man roster that won one game from 2002-2005.  You can't tell me they couldn't find someone better to play against.  Cal Lu has no choice in the matter.  They have to play those games. 

I had started to add a post on this thread earlier in the day because I did sit through most of those Tougaloo games. There are pros and cons on why either team would schedule these types of games and the winning coach often finds himself in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

On the games being scheduled in the first place, I can only guess based on what I know from the past.  It gave Tougaloo two away games in town which is a good thing for a school on a limited athletic budget.  It gave Millsaps a chance to play a lot of players who haven't played much or at all this season.  Both teams gained something from the game even though the game was a mismatch.  I don't think anyone thought the game would be this much of a mismatch when the game was scheduled.

Unfortunately, Tougaloo doesn't have much pitching and they couldn't get anyone out in the first game, plus they added to the problem with 8 walks and 9 hit batters.  Millsaps did start off with their starting lineup but that makes sense.  It would be insulting to the other team to bench all the starters at the beginning of an official game, the starters didn't need to sit out the entire weekend in the middle of the season, and no one knew at the beginning that the games would get this lopsided.  The coach was holding up runners on the bases instead of running aggresively and they weren't coming in from third on pass balls, etc, but there are limits to what you can do to hold down a score in baseball.

The bottom line is that I think both coaches assumed that Millsaps would win these games when the games were scheduled but Tougaloo was glad to get the extra games at no cost and Millsaps was glad to have games where everyone got to play.  The games didn't do a thing to help Millsaps improve as a team but the games did serve a purpose.

[Browneagle64]

Congratulations to the tigers on snapping their recent 4 game losing streak.

After getting pounded on by the hens and stags on sunday 15-2 and 14-9,
it's good to hear that the tigers bounced back and took one away from Ithaca College, 9-4, yesterday. Heres to hoping they keep the W's coming.

btw, Snoops, The beavs will not beat Oxy this year. They already played and oxy took the series single handed.   

[Jim Dixon]

Congratulations to the tigers on snapping their recent 4 game losing streak.

Elliott Strankman must be some coach

[Browneagle64]

He sure is Mr. Dixon.

I am sure that he tells his players that no matter what happens; their is still another day of baseball. In fact, i am confident that he's teaching his young tigers to not give up and to face the challenges. It's all good.

I am sure current Cub coach Lou Piniella and even former coach Dusty Baker did the same thing day in and day out around their cub players.

[Gray Fox]

Browneagle64:

>>The beavs will not beat Oxy this year. They already played and oxy took the series single handed<<

C'mon, BE, that's not saying much, considering Caltech is 2-13, its two wins coming against Dodgertown West (a member of the Mens Senior Baseball League, and whose players must be 30 or older and have attended the Dodgers Adult Baseball Camp) and a Caltech alumni team. In 12 games against real competition, Caltech is 0-12 and has been outscored 205-25.

OxyBob

A CIT win will get even more press than their basketball victory over Bard.

Right now, they have a much better chance to put a person in orbit than a baseball.

[Jim Dixon]

He sure is Mr. Dixon.

I'll think about a feature on him in the off season if he keeps his summer gig.