MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Not delusional; just got your attention so I could make my point.....

Negative. All you did was prove yourself not worthy of taking seriously and I have not read any other part of the post for that reason.

BTW, to say someone who has been on the job less than a year doesn't recruit is a little premature. He hasn't had much of a chance, has he?

[cavs8864]

Be a realist......  Pat ....I don't paint pretty pictures but......
how can one not be negative.   I respectfully disagree with you.

Guess you do not remember the 6"10 and 7 ft guys Dzik recruited in District 19, and the teams that could beat Temple... when you were there from day one it is sad in these times.   You are telling me Bill Carr could not play in D1 and what other school has been more consistent in the PAC. Oh and Allen Jones played in the NBA as well.  Guess that is why Alvernia never won a PAC championship against Dzik.. even with Damien Hunter.
They may have gone to the final 4 but not by going through Cabrini...



If it wasn't for Cabrini and John Dzik there would not even be a PAC !
Or this chat line for that matter.....

and if you paid attention I did not say the new Cabrini coach does not recruit--- the next person's e-mail message implied that point.... open your eyes please.  I guess you are an administrator after all.

I guess its all about the money after all and DIII is a way to market a small private college with tuitions like Harvard and Yale.  Sports are just another aspect of the portfolio.

Sad part is the students who have to suffer..  This chat board is a prime example of low participation.  Maybe if those in power could do something the PAC could be saved.

God Bless John Dzik... he understood the whole picture.

  Since you won't acknowledge my negativity maybe you can acknowledge my attitude.   

  If not.. no hard feelings........ guess all this chat is a waste of time anyway!

God Bless John Dzik
God Bless John DZik
God Bless John Dzik

He could out coach and make a team work better than anyone without a pot to pee in ! ! ! !

Coach C. did say the PAC was weak at least someone understands.

[Coach C]

Wow - get on a plane andwake up in a new state and all of a sudden the PAC Chat room is alive!

First as to being asked for a top 6, I will say again that after Alvernia it really does not matter.  That being said, I think that E E E E E Unit has hit it pretty much right on the rest of the conference.  While I am not sure I agree on all of his analysis, the rankings are pretty close.

Now on to the D1 comment.  I have been in or near the PAC since the day it was founded at Veterans' Stadium in 1992.  It never had D1 quality.  Yes, a few D1-level players have come thought.  Hunter and  Carr could probably both have played at d1.  Carr was recruited for D2, but I don't rememebr D1.    As for academics, this conference has never been noted for academic quality, and that is just stating a face.  Yeah a lot of smart kids have played in the conference, but it's not the UAA.

The conference has slipped, but you have to look at the loss of some pretty solid ocahes as one of the reasons.  ALvernia, Cabrini, GMC, and Miseri all lost solid basketball guys in the last few years.  Yeah, GMC made a run after Newsome left, but that wasn't all about coaching Badoe was the story there.  I am not sure many people could have won a conference with 6 players.  I think this conference will continue to be in a state o flux, losing or gaining emebers for a while until things settle down.  It's sadly one of the bottom 10 in the nation at the moment.

And now the Dzik stuff.

Coach Dzik is the best coach ever to coach in this conference.  I would doubt there would be many detractors for that statement.  Coach Maccocia seems capable, but you have to remember that all first year coaches struggle.  Look at IWU a few years back.  Chapionship level talent, but it took a year or two for the team and coach to adjust to each other.  now they are back in the top 10.  Cabrini did not have naywhere near that level of talent when Dzik left, so the struggles this year have been magnified.  It's a talented team that could bit some people down the stretch.

Cabrini should not have fired Dzik.  He should have been able to continue the run.  He's happy down south, but he sould not have been foreced to make that move.  He should be coaching his kids now.  The fact that they are playing the Cabrini alumni game off- campus today tell you just how messed up that whole situation is.  It really does boggle the mind.  or break the heart.  Hard to say which.

C

[cavs8864]

Thank You Coach C.

My fault to clarify myself......

As far as the  D1 reference,  I was talking about the teams Dzik ran before the birth of the pac... the tournament teams out in Iowa and the two towers from Camden who could play D1 ball...  Dade  & Sartor as well as capable others before the mention of a PAC was thought about..

District 19, NAIA, Keystone back in1988/1987/1985 1984/83/82/80

Trust me when I say some of those guys were big enough and able to compete in D1   Dzik knows too!

To this end... it is ashame what happened to the best coach in this area and maybe Cabrini college admn. will grow up and move on so the alumni game can be played on campus..


Do you smell an upset today for Cabrini vs Alvernia with Dzik in town or am I dreaming?    Cavs played Wesley very well until the stretch when they missed some free throws and a 3pt shot that would have sealed it..

Only time will tell... appreciate your response

[heatlee]

Having played at Cabrini for two years 85-86 and 86-87, for John Dzik, I must confirm and dispute some statements.  Cabrini won the District 19 titles in 1983-1984, 1984-1985, 1985-1986, and 1986-1987.  However, we didn't win the ESAC (Eastern States Athletic Confence) title in the 86 or 87 season.  But we did win the regular season tile both years.

As far as talent during those years, it was much better because there was some scholarship money because the college was in the NAIA and the talent level of the other colleges was not as good as a whole.  Additionally, many of those players could have played at the Division I level, and when I say play I don't mean start or even see significant minutes, but many of them would have been on some Division I team.  Also, Allen Jones did not play in the NBA.  He had a very successful run with the Harlem Globetrotters.

As far as the new coach goes, he can't be compared to John Dzik, because it just isn't fair to compare a rookie head coach to a hall of fame coach.  That said, I am a huge supporter of John Dzik and will forever be embarrassed by what Cabrini did to him.  But, unless someone has intimate knowledge of the program under the new coach it is unfair to him to say he doesn't recruit.  Recruiting is more than just seeing games.  It also includes mailings, home visits and phone calls.

[E-E-E-E.UNIT]

I think we would all agree that coach Dzik is a great coach and that he was treated unfairly by Cabrini.  At what point do we stop beating this dead horse. He is not coming back.  I think we need to focus on what the PAC has TODAY !!!. it is unfair to the cabrini players and the new coach that you people wont let this new era in the Cabrini program to proceed without bringing up Coach Dzik. What is it gonna take before you people let it go.  Yes he was a great coach, yes he was treated unfairly... BUT WHATS DONE IS DONE. ...GET OVER IT! 

[Coach C]

E E E E Unit -

Nice win for the Eagles last night.

i don't think anyone who was close to the Dzik situation will EVER get over the injustice that was done to him and to the players and alumni in the program with his unjust firing.

You don't get over not being welcome at your alma mater.  You don't get over having 25 years of tradition flushed down the toilet by an uncaring and short-sighted administration.

That being said, it's probably pretty boring to outsiders, so lets talk about the games.

C

[cavs8864]

Firstly,   one never gets over what happened if you are an alumni of Cabrini........

Its difficult but we must move on correct..

Alvernia may be #1 in the PAC but those guys looked weak w/o their two top players and destroyed the Cavs yesterday in front of the alumni who could believe it was Cabrini basketball...

Alvernia looked so good inside running the lanes with no resistance.

Not the same cavs and the new coaches need to coach more often.

Eastern is looking great scoring anyway..... those guys have coaches with passion and game plans it seems.

[cavs8864]

Correction-- the alumni at Cabrini could NOT believe it was Cavs bball.


THANK YOU    TO   EASTERN UNIVERSITY  for allowing tht alumni game to be played at your gym...  class act...

Maybe Eastern deserves Cabrini's gym the way they play now.


Looking at the Cabrini alumni photo with the Eastern Eagles logo in front tells the whole story....

Maybe Eastern will get a few flags and plaques since Cabrini won't be winning any...........  except for lacrosse/tennis

GO EAGLES!

[Strong]

Eastern is kicking up some dust there Cavs ! !

Alvernia is overrated.

[Pat Coleman]

Be a realist......  Pat ....I don't paint pretty pictures but......
how can one not be negative.   I respectfully disagree with you.

Guess you do not remember the 6"10 and 7 ft guys Dzik recruited in District 19, and the teams that could beat Temple

Oh boy. I didn't realize we were talking ancient history. Having a couple guys doesn't make the PAC D-I quality, which is what you said your original point was.

And your District 19 guys did not play in the PAC, if I'm not mistaken.

If you want to change you story as to what you're talking about, go ahead. But don't take me to task over it.

[WolfPAC]

Hello to all!  I am a new member who just had to chime in after visiting the Dixon Center yesterday.    Cabrini alumni do not see eye to eye with the new coaches I can tell you that ! !

Sitting amongst a group of alumni all I heard was how they cannot play tough enough or battle.  They played horrible defense and the new coaches started coaching with a minute left in the game.  No more excuses!   Guess this is what happens when a young guy is handed a BIG job and it falls in his lap.

What a sad day for Cabrini basketball.  There seemed to be plenty of talent on the floor for Cabrini but they were not playing like a team. The only thing they did was wear the same color sneakers.  Does anybody know when the last time Cabrini was shut out of the PAC playoffs ? ?

   

[E-E-E-E.UNIT]

How many first year Coaches do you know that come into a program at this level and dominate? if there are some there are not many. It seems like you Alumnus just refuse to give the new coach a shot here. Im sure Coach Dzik would not agree with you people coming on here bashing a program that he built . Remember, most of those guys in Cabrini's uniform are HIS GUYS. How do you think he feels about ya'll bashing HIS GUYS?If you think for a moment that players don't read this Chat room your crazy. You guys a disrespecting these players who go out a bust it on every game night and try to live up to the standards that some of alumnus help to build. WHY ARE YOU BASHING THEM. have some loyalty to the program ..i mean my goodness.  Every team goes through down years, EVERY TEAM, and when that happen, thats when the true character of a Fan or Followers of a program show their true colors. On another issue, how can you judge a coaches recruiting on ONE YEAR ...HELLO.  I'll be honest i have never liked Coach Dzik, nothing personal i assure you all.  I don't like coach Dzik like i don't like Jimmie Johnson or Bill Parcells as an Philadelphia Eagles Fan(GO EASTERN!!!) but i can say that i RESPECT him, because he has class and i hope that some of that has rubbed off on most of his players.  i think that he would agree that some of the latest comments are classless, especially if your Alumni of Cabrini College

[E-E-E-E.UNIT]

Can we please get back to the here and now... please. The PAC has so much parity this year that it makes for an intresting playoff race. Even if you feel that the PAC is having a down year the race to get in the  playoffs has to intrigue you a little right?  Eastern has another tough one today with Gwynedd Good Luck fellas.

[Coach C]

E-E-E-E.Unit -

I respect your comments.  I can say that I know it takes some heart to come into a room and say that you didn't like a guy that everyone is saying good things about.  You are right though.  Not everyone likes Coach Dzik, but he is a classy guy and deserves respect.

The PAC is down and that is a shame, but many of the programs are suffering from the same institutional neglect that Cabrini is suffering under.

I wish the Eagles well.  What they did for the Cabrini alums was truly classy.

C