MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[WolfPAC]

I appreciate the debate.  It looks like the Landmark sneezed and the PAC caught pneumonia, to paraphrase the old saying.

With the D3 model being used as an enrollment booster for schools that very heavily dependent on tuition for revenue, having a very poorly performing "product line" such as intercollegiate athletics can impact the bottom line.

WolfPAC, I can "feel your pain".  This looks like it will be a challenge and I see one more MAC slot up for grabs to make 8 & 8.  Am I partially correct that one may get the impression that the Penn AC was a reasonably comfortable 3rd out of 4th among the conferences,

1)  Centennial
2)  MAC Freedom and Centennial
3)  Penn AC
4)  North Eastern AC

to

1) Centennial
2) Landmark
3-4) MAC Freedom or
3-4) MAC Commonwealth with some jockeying concerning academic prestige that may not have been as prominent before
5)  Penn AC with some significant separation appearing for the first time.
6)  NEAC.

Corrections and interpretations of data appreciated.

You are accurate.  Only wish I was wrong.   Cannot see any growth for the conference at this point in time.  It can not be serious without serious leadership.

Until there is "down to earth" admn with strong realization of athletic revenue potential, the mission of D3 will likely restrain the liberal leadership of a college that wants to grow an athletic program in the area the PAC recruits from geographically.

The price of tuition, the bottom line, the missions, and the lack of passionate leadership adds up a dead PAC constrained by its own destiny of lack of natural growth.  Perhaps the conference needs to weed out the less than contenders during the last 5 years and start over fresh with new leadership configuration.

Your assessment is accurate and I regret the fact that I sound as if I dwell in the past but I must state that the exit of a legendary coach does influence the conference negatively.  Where is the PAC spokesman in meetings with these institutions.  I believe the presidents of the schools really do not care at all.  Just a drawing card even though these students play their heart and souls out for the pride and loyalty of the institution for the pride of their collegiate experiences.   

The situation is out of control with institutionally neglect admns and salesmanship exploiting the accomplishments of athletes for selling campuses.  What a sin ! !    Some of these institutions could not survive w/o these kids who built the institutions with their hard athletic battles and academic achievements.   Bricks and mortar need a foundation.

Things just don't add up for the PAC .   The level of competition will become dilluted if the conference is less than serious about selecting institutions for filling slots.    The only benefit is to the institutions which were never qualified or able to enter the PAC and it becomes a weak feather in their cap while the PAC deteriorates.

[chizwiz]

gamefan, Chestnut Hill will not be entering the PAC as long as they continue to move toward D2 status.  End of story there.

Wolfie, while I share your feelings that getting rid of Dzik hurt more than Cabrini, bringing problems to the conference in other ways, be they big or small (I think somewhat small, you think big), I think you are being a little impatient with the PAC commissioner.  I don't think she is a great comm. for my own reasons, but I also think she has a tough job right now.

Give her, and the conference, time to figure this one out.  I'm sure there is more to it than we are discussing and I'm sure that the PAC is trying to find another 1-3 more coed members.  In the meantime, if you care about the PAC, please stop dooming and glooming on it, as it just makes us look a lot worse.

For Cabrini's benefit, I hope they offer Dzik his job back for six figures while firing their president and AD, but that's a pipe dream.

[gamefan]

Chiz:


I agree the departure of Dzik has had a negative effect on the conference! But it is old news now!

I am aware of the Chestnut Hill situation. Rumors persist that the move to DII is not a certainty!  PAC needs to keep the heat on!

I do not have a problem with the teams leaving as long as there is a`plan to replace them! The PAC needs to use this as a time to get better!

The PAC is broken but can be fixed with a plan!

How can it be fixed? I.E. teams to invite, changes to be made, and time frame for the changes to be implemented!

[Ralph Turner]

This discussion started on page 77.

We are looking for replacements for the departed.  It is not likely that that MAC's (F or C) will lose a member to the Penn AC.

That means finding them in the NEAC.  There are not many candidates there that have not already moved to another conference, e.g., the Skyline or the Capital.   (It almost seemed like a junior high dance.  As soon as those conferences saw those teams as having a dance partner, they became acceptable.  Standing in queue for a conference in the early part of this decade, as someone said, was right!)

Chestnut Hill is still in play for the MAC's, the Captial, the PennAc and the NEAC.

This will be really tough.

[WolfPAC]

What about schools in Delaware?  Goldie Beacon College,

Wilmington College. 


Gee what about DCCC, MCCC,  Harcum Jr. College,  go after Haverford hahaha...

Lets recruit some nursing homes for God's sake.

Wake up call ! ! !

[WolfPAC]

Congratulations to the commissioner of the PAC for holding the conference together during these turbulent times.

GO PAC!   

[gamefan]

Wolf:

Good thought both of the Delaware schools are playing DII, but I agree Wilmington got their butts whipped all year they should change affiliations. They cannot compete agaunst the teams they play!

Goldey Beacom could fit also they have a nice gym for playing in, Wilmington is small but it is better than Neumann!

There is also Delaware Tech nice gym decent team!

Geographically Haverford would be a good fit but they are elitest!

[chizwiz]

Hey, Wolfie, you make a great waffle.

[WolfPAC]

Hey, Wolfie, you make a great waffle.

You should try my Belgian waffle.  Nice and thick and gooey with syrup.
uMMM  uMMMM good.  I make em in the summer time down Virginia at a nice little bed & breakfast.   I also made them in New Hampshire during a ski trip.  They went over well after everyones hangovers.

As a bonus, I will pour a little chizwiz on it for you!

I will make you breakfast sometime and meet you at a game so you can try it.  I know who you are now! !

[WolfPAC]

I think I will make the commish a super dooper waffle chiz maybe she will do a better job.

How is Coach N. these days?  I was hoping he would take the full-time Cabrini job.  That is guy who can be  intense and motivate people while knowing the game.  Think it would fit him very well.

[chizwiz]

Wolfie, I hope you are the only one who missed my meaning of "waffle".

I'm glad you know who I am.  Now you know that my statements don't come from inexperience like yours.

[gamefan]

With the evolving PAC lineup what programs do you think will be the best in the PAC for next season?

With Arcadia and Wesley out next year and I think Centenary is in for next year, Rank the teams!

Alvernia
Cabrini
Centenary
Eastern
Gwynedd
Immaculata
Marywood
Misericordia
Neumann

[WolfPAC]

Wolfie, I hope you are the only one who missed my meaning of "waffle".

I'm glad you know who I am.  Now you know that my statements don't come from inexperience like yours.

Are you really that old??   Did you graduate in 1956   Or is that the year you were born??

[WolfPAC]

With the evolving PAC lineup what programs do you think will be the best in the PAC for next season?

With Arcadia and Wesley out next year and I think Centenary is in for next year, Rank the teams!

Alvernia
Cabrini
Centenary
Eastern
Gwynedd
Immaculata
Marywood
Misericordia
Neumann

ALvernia ,  Gwynedd, Eastern, Cent, Immac, Miser, Neumann, Cabrini,  Maryw,

[WolfPAC]

Chiz,

Who is taking over at Cabrini....  with all that backstabbing going on over there will an outsider take the job or will it be  someone from the bench?

With all your experience it should be easy to figure out.... especially if you are who I think you are......  give me one more clue as to who you are.