MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[chizwiz]

Wolfie,

You think it is humiliating for a Cabrini student to drop a game to EU?  Why is that?  EU is a better team.  Cabrini's students must be pretty humiliated this year, as EU has owned them in soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, etc., etc.  Open your eyes.  It's not about what the fans think.

Every team could have won more games (except the NE Pats this year).  You guys just don't have the talent or coaching to get it done this year.  Plus, we are all tired of hearing people complain about your administration.  They did what they did, and now they are trying to fix it.

[WolfPAC]

Chiz

Only recently.   I know you are not including men's lacrosse.   Just not used to seeing EU in as many NCAA tournaments as Cabrini has been in I guess.

The tide will turn quickly in a couple of years.  Trust me.   EU has talent and a good staff but some of their glory is due to the decline of Cabrini and others in the PAC.   I am not saying the students are not talented by any means.  The women have some great teams, and Matt N. is a great guy armed with those former Cabrini coaches.

Over the the long-run, it is obvious which school is most successful.  EU is doing better though.   I would love for the Eagles to win the PAC in mens basketball or any other sport as long as it is not against the Cavs.

Trust me, there are some (not me) who want revenge badly.  The time will come when they pour it on!  Anybody can beat anybody in the PAC this year. 

Until then, enjoy the ride.  Sit back and watch like I do

[chairman]

I would agree that seven minutes into the game seems to be a little bit soon to start doing offense/defense substitutions, but the Cabrini team had some pretty serious foul trouble in the opening minutes of the game. Rather than sitting Washington and Reid with two fouls, the coach platooned them with defensive players. It made for a very long game, but the strategy is understandable given the importance of those two kids to their offense. On the other side, it seemed as though the Eastern team was committed to going at those two players to try to get them to foul out. Had he left them in for any extended period of defensive possessions, I think they both would have picked up another foul.
The Coach didn't miss second half lay-ups. Had Eastern hit a reasonable percentage of their early free-throws/lay-ins Cabrini would not have had the big lead to blow.
Not going to pretend too much about Cabrini, but my impression is that their kids who can score can really score, and that their kids who can defend can defend. I am not sure they have anyone that really does both with any level of proficiency, and that is an issue playing against veteran teams with a reasonably balanced attack. Washington is a tremendous scorer. I'm not going to say they would be better off he didn't come down to the defensive end of the floor at all, but he seemed a little bit bewildered by the defensive end. He will learn, but some of the older players are pretty one dimensional.
The foot stamping thing is really irritating, but it seems to have a method to it, so whatever.
Chiz...good to see you are still racking up good will and happiness on the board. Cabrini is a Tennis powerhouse. It was good to see both Eagle Road affairs scheduled with school in session. It will be interesting to see if the intensity of a single game series next year will outweigh the lack of conference implications.

[WolfPAC]

Cabrini Alumni game this Saturday at 10:30 am Dixon Center

Then... doubleheader with Immaculata at 1 & 3

Lots of friends, good times, and memories.  I heard quite a few are coming hope to see all there.

For more details check out cavsalumi.com  for the afterparty. 

[WolfPAC]

Does Cabrini have a chance to make the playoffs?

[Coach C]

Wolf -

Cabrini took a big hit in the playoff hunt last night.

The issue really is as Chairman describes - the lack of 'complete' players.  Herenda is a pretty good coach, but at this point in the season it's hard to keep the focus and emotion up when there seems to be little left to play for.  the next 3 games will tell the tale of this season.

C

[Jon]

Wolfy,

There's always a chance to make the playoffs.  With six teams making the postseason in a nine-team league you just need to avoid finishing in the bottom three.  At this point it looks as though Centenary and Marywood will likely finish in some combination of 8-9, so that leaves one more spot to miss the playoffs.  That Cabrini/Neumann game could be big on Feb. 11 and it's interesting that Cabrini hasn't faced the Cougars yet.

[chizwiz]

Jon, excellent point about the Neumann/Cabrini game with big implications.  I was thinking the same thing.  Neumann can rack up points quick with Patrick and Hitchens (x2!) but so can Cabrini.  Now they have to face the Macs, the Miseri, and a Centenary that can surprise.  While Cabrini isn't facing Alvernia anymore, it will have to battle against the #'s 1 and 3 in conference.  Methinks the Cavs are spent.

Wolf, get used to seeing EU teams in the NCAA's.  They are here to stay.  And you can't ride the "at least Cabrini is good at lacrosse" argument.  It sounds weak and New Englandey.  Get out of the past.  Your athletic program, as Matthew Nadelhoffer, Jr., so accurately stated on his outfit on Monday, STINKS!  You guys are only good at lacrosse.  Cabrini basketball has Randy Reid and Glenn Washington, and next year you have Washington.  You better hope Herenda can get as friggin' lucky with recruiting as he did getting Washington.

Face it.  EU is winning the battle of Eagle road in academics and athletics.  And Charles Bush also stinks.

[Booker]

Well last night took the cake.To say that there is a "lack of complete players" is an indication that the wool continues to be pulled over one's eyes. How about a "complete lack of the right players on the court!" Lack of complete players...how could you know that when there is never a consistent group of players on the court long enough to get anything done.

The cat is out of the bag now. The show Herenda put on last night was a complete disgrace...an embarrassment to the school, the students, the alumni players and worst of all, the current team. Better yet he did it in front of alumni players and a number of other league coaches. All 15 players played in the first 5 minutes of the game last night!  The looks on the faces of the players who were subbing in for players who we know should be on the court at critical times tells it all. Good work Herenda...maybe the very kids that were once vying with each other for spots will realize that you have completely undone the team and the program will pull together for each other these last few games.

The circus atmosphere on the bench and the revolving door at the scorers' table was unbelievable. A couple favorites... the head coach down on all 4's pounding his head on the court, the head coach spending valuable coaching time imploring the cheerleaders and fans to cheer. And of course the continued and varied stomping postions!

Oh, and by the way, Herenda had nothing to do with Glenn Washington coming to Cabrini, but he will probably have everything to do with his leaving!

So, I guess this is part of the plan, which makes absolute sense when you are dealing with someone as self-centered as this coach...it is now all about him now!

[Jon]

I saw virtually none of this circus you speak of when the Cavs were here last weekend.  Either Coach Herenda was under the weather, or his subdued twin brother was in charge.  There was very limited floor stomping, and I was forewarned to keep an eye out for it.  The substitution pattern was a bit jumbled, but I didn't think out of the ordinary considering they were in a bit of foul trouble.  They did partake in an extensive period of offense-defense in the second half which was noticeable, but nothing to get overly worked up about.

I suppose I'll defer to those who have seen more games, but I think Coach shows potential for the future of Cavs basketball.  I thought it was commendable the way his players were into the game cheering for the small things that good teams do well (getting back on defense to stop fast breaks, effective double-teaming, etc.).  I'd much rather see that from a bench than six kids with arms folded on chests slouching down to pout cause they aren't on the floor.

Regardless of who brought Washington to campus, the fact remains that he is there and productive.  He's a piece to build around.  Give the coach a chance to recruit around him.  After all, coaching is roughly 80 percent recruiting, and Herenda has been on campus for less than nine months.  Running him out the door now makes his position look more like the revolving door you complain about at the scorer's table.

[chairman]

Booker--
I have my theories about your identity, but I would love to have you come out and say what your specific connection is. Twelve players played in the first 10 minutes of the game. With Cabrini down 11-2 the coach subbed everyone out. It seems that the game between the Griffins, who have been in the Playoffs for the last five or six years and that Cavs who have missed the playoffs for the past two, was a one point game with 30 seconds left. Say what you want, they were in the game against a team that should beat them.
What would your starting line-up be for the Cavaliers? Who do you put in the game after Reid and Washington pick up two fouls in the first five minutes? I would agree that any line-up without those two is going to struggle to score. Any line-up with those two in it had better have three really good defensive players in it.
Cabrini has some really tough defensive players, but those kids are not gifted offensive players. You probably need to pull the burr out your saddle and give the coach a chance. They are not getting blown out, and it is, with the exception of Washington, pretty much the same group that staggered through the last two PAC seasons. You can make the argument that Washington makes them way better because of his ability to score, and that has truth to it, but he is not a spectacular defender or ball-handler and he is a freshman.

[WolfPAC]

Jon, excellent point about the Neumann/Cabrini game with big implications.  I was thinking the same thing.  Neumann can rack up points quick with Patrick and Hitchens (x2!) but so can Cabrini.  Now they have to face the Macs, the Miseri, and a Centenary that can surprise.  While Cabrini isn't facing Alvernia anymore, it will have to battle against the #'s 1 and 3 in conference.  Methinks the Cavs are spent.

Wolf, get used to seeing EU teams in the NCAA's.  They are here to stay.  And you can't ride the "at least Cabrini is good at lacrosse" argument.  It sounds weak and New Englandey.  Get out of the past.  Your athletic program, as Matthew Nadelhoffer, Jr., so accurately stated on his outfit on Monday, STINKS!  You guys are only good at lacrosse.  Cabrini basketball has Randy Reid and Glenn Washington, and next year you have Washington.  You better hope Herenda can get as friggin' lucky with recruiting as he did getting Washington.

Face it.  EU is winning the battle of Eagle road in academics and athletics.  And Charles Bush also stinks.

Hey Chiz,

Did not mean to ruffle your feathers, but I must admit EU is winning the battle of Eagle Road.    You forgot about Cabrini's tennis team and track championship as well.

(HAHAHA)  I only care about basketball to be honest.  The Lady Cavs are the only decent team right now, but they got put in their place as well by GW.

Things will turn around so be careful about gloating. Things can come back and bite you so be careful.  I know Matt N. personally.  He is a great guy.    In analyzing the game I do believe EU did have more talent and balance than Cabrini and should have won the game more easily in fact.

[WolfPAC]

Cabrini has no AD, the president is leaving and the administration at the moment does not seem too interested in winning anything.  I can only hope the new AD & the new president will change things for the best.

Until they get serious about things and support an athletic program that is worthy of D3 competition with new personnel up top they are going nowhere fast.   Feel bad for the coaches who are committed.

Should be interesting the rest of the way in more ways than one.

The wing bowl was better than the game I saw last night. 
Yeah Joey Chestnut! ! !

[chizwiz]

Booker, err, uhh, Wolfie,

I'm starting to wonder if even Christ himself would be able to do the job you expect a coach to do.  Sure, I make fun of him, but that's my job as an EU fan.  You should be supporting him.

While I don't think Herenda should be focusing on getting the crowd to do anything except show up (with more wins and better players), I do think he should have more of a chance from his supposed supporters.

[chizwiz]

On to other things.  Maybe.

What do we all think about Derahn Patrick?  I've seen him now a few times and wish he had a mental game to support his ability to score.  It seems that he mopes around until the start of the second half, and then decides its his turn to shoot.  Most of the time at that point, he scores at will, unless he has a good defender face-guarding him or he is having a bad night.

I do, however, like to watch the Hitchens brothers.  They seem to play real strong, not cheap like Patrick's cheap shots he is famous for.

Oh, and speaking of siblings on Neumann's basketball teams.  Has anyone seen the twins playing for the women's team?  What a couple hotties!