MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Flyer]

OH yeah,  Mailsy, you better trade in that crystal ball or smash it for next year.

I said there was snow on it.  Obviously it thawed out and I misread it.

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

[lefty2]

The two seed winning would hardly be a surprise.

[chairman]

Flyer, while I agree with you that the mass-substitutions are very annoying, and they lead to a very disjointed game, I think that you might be overstating the quantity of talent on the Cavalier roster. I thought the coach did a very good job of protecting his offensive players from foul trouble against Eastern, and they were able to get the wins they needed to make the playoffs.
They made the playoffs with two legitimate scorers and a lot other kids who he got to buy in and play defense and not give the ball away. If Cabrini still plays like this in four years, then your beef is justified, but I am pretty sure that he will bring some pieces in that will allow them to go with a more standard rotation, but he didn't walk into a cupboard is full situation. Washington is going to be a phenomenal scorer, but outside of him, this was the same team that couldn't get out of their own way the past two years.
The Dzik era will never return. There is much more parity in the local basketball scene, and Cabrini is a pretty expensive school, but I do believe that Cabrini will be in the mix for PAC (or whatever they are going to call it) Championships in the near future.
Probably need to wander over to the MAC-Freedom room here pretty soon. Lefty, Jon, Chiz, and any others moving across, I'll see you on the other side.

[lefty2]

Chairman,

Due to our geography, I've lurked/posted in the Freedom for years.

[Jon]

Chair,

We'll see ya on the other side.  We're glad to have some more time here.  I'm hoping to have five days of hoops in the next six. 

As always, webcasts will be available at The Vern homepage.

[mailsy]

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

Do you really think the wool was pulled over our eyes again?  Was there as much talent as you really believe?  Chairman had it right, it was pretty much the same team from last year that won, what 4-5 games?  The addition of Washington and the improved play of the players got them to 12 wins.  I believe the players definitely bought into his team play.  Yes, is it frustrating to watch the substitution patterns.  Maybe.  But there were obviously reasons why he was doing what he was doing.  Coaches have systems and they get the players to buy into the system.  GH was looking for people to put into the system.  Did he recruit anybody on this years team?  I don't think so.  As chairman said let's see what the next couple of years are like.  If it's the same than you can complain. 

Change is always difficult.  No one really likes it.  Change was going to happen.  Dzik was eventually going to retire anyway.  I don't like that the admin. didn't let him go out on his own terms.  But you know what? Maybe we got it out of the way now.  We were not around when Girard handed the team over to Dzik and Girard, handed Dzik a lot of quality players when he left.  GH didn't have that same luxury with what's his name.  Give him time.  Be happy.  You'll have less stress in your life and you're now getting older, Flyer, so don't take it to so hard.

Anyway I'm rooting for Gwynedd and IU.  Because I want the Cavs the opportunity to knock off the defending champs.  The Vern and Miseri are leaving the PAC.  Best wishes to them, but I don't want them taking the prize with them. Go Griffins!! Go Mighty Macs!!

[Flyer]

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

Do you really think the wool was pulled over our eyes again?  Was there as much talent as you really believe?  Chairman had it right, it was pretty much the same team from last year that won, what 4-5 games?  The addition of Washington and the improved play of the players got them to 12 wins.  I believe the players definitely bought into his team play.  Yes, is it frustrating to watch the substitution patterns.  Maybe.  But there were obviously reasons why he was doing what he was doing.  Coaches have systems and they get the players to buy into the system.  GH was looking for people to put into the system.  Did he recruit anybody on this years team?  I don't think so.  As chairman said let's see what the next couple of years are like.  If it's the same than you can complain. 

Change is always difficult.  No one really likes it.  Change was going to happen.  Dzik was eventually going to retire anyway.  I don't like that the admin. didn't let him go out on his own terms.  But you know what? Maybe we got it out of the way now.  We were not around when Girard handed the team over to Dzik and Girard, handed Dzik a lot of quality players when he left.  GH didn't have that same luxury with what's his name.  Give him time.  Be happy.  You'll have less stress in your life and you're now getting older, Flyer, so don't take it to so hard.

Anyway I'm rooting for Gwynedd and IU.  Because I want the Cavs the opportunity to knock off the defending champs.  The Vern and Miseri are leaving the PAC.  Best wishes to them, but I don't want them taking the prize with them. Go Griffins!! Go Mighty Macs!!

OK Mailsy,  I may have overdone it again but fundamentals killed us yesterday.
Maybe if you were at the game they would not have lost.   You are right about the stress thing.  I have to become detached from the emotional aspect.  It is only fair to give the coach more time after all this is the best result we have had in the past 3 years.  Should be interestiing to see who and what kind of player Herenda recruits.   

Go MACs,

[mailsy]

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

Do you really think the wool was pulled over our eyes again?  Was there as much talent as you really believe?  Chairman had it right, it was pretty much the same team from last year that won, what 4-5 games?  The addition of Washington and the improved play of the players got them to 12 wins.  I believe the players definitely bought into his team play.  Yes, is it frustrating to watch the substitution patterns.  Maybe.  But there were obviously reasons why he was doing what he was doing.  Coaches have systems and they get the players to buy into the system.  GH was looking for people to put into the system.  Did he recruit anybody on this years team?  I don't think so.  As chairman said let's see what the next couple of years are like.  If it's the same than you can complain. 

Change is always difficult.  No one really likes it.  Change was going to happen.  Dzik was eventually going to retire anyway.  I don't like that the admin. didn't let him go out on his own terms.  But you know what? Maybe we got it out of the way now.  We were not around when Girard handed the team over to Dzik and Girard, handed Dzik a lot of quality players when he left.  GH didn't have that same luxury with what's his name.  Give him time.  Be happy.  You'll have less stress in your life and you're now getting older, Flyer, so don't take it to so hard.

Anyway I'm rooting for Gwynedd and IU.  Because I want the Cavs the opportunity to knock off the defending champs.  The Vern and Miseri are leaving the PAC.  Best wishes to them, but I don't want them taking the prize with them. Go Griffins!! Go Mighty Macs!!

OK Mailsy,  I may have overdone it again but fundamentals killed us yesterday.
Maybe if you were at the game they would not have lost.   You are right about the stress thing.  I have to become detached from the emotional aspect.  It is only fair to give the coach more time after all this is the best result we have had in the past 3 years.  Should be interestiing to see who and what kind of player Herenda recruits.  

Go MACs,

Maybe if I was there maybe they would have won.  But then again maybe I would be just as stressed as you were while you watched them play.

It was a fun season.  The place was really rockin' at the end of the season.  The Dixon center was great when the Cavs beat Eastern.  That Buena Vista was probably one of the most exciting games I've ever been to. It was a shame that most of the students missed the game because it was over the break.  Down by 8 with 2 mins to go and they score 11 in a row to win 72-69.  Fantastic. They beat Rowan.  They beat GMC in their building.  There were a lot of exciting games.  Yes of course there were some stinkers.  But they made the playoffs and I'm encouraged for next year.  I hope they find some bigger players for next year.  After Bruce and Randy they seemed a little small but will see what next year brings in the "new" conference. 

[Flyer]

Flyer, while I agree with you that the mass-substitutions are very annoying, and they lead to a very disjointed game, I think that you might be overstating the quantity of talent on the Cavalier roster. I thought the coach did a very good job of protecting his offensive players from foul trouble against Eastern, and they were able to get the wins they needed to make the playoffs.
They made the playoffs with two legitimate scorers and a lot other kids who he got to buy in and play defense and not give the ball away. If Cabrini still plays like this in four years, then your beef is justified, but I am pretty sure that he will bring some pieces in that will allow them to go with a more standard rotation, but he didn't walk into a cupboard is full situation. Washington is going to be a phenomenal scorer, but outside of him, this was the same team that couldn't get out of their own way the past two years.
The Dzik era will never return. There is much more parity in the local basketball scene, and Cabrini is a pretty expensive school, but I do believe that Cabrini will be in the mix for PAC (or whatever they are going to call it) Championships in the near future.
Probably need to wander over to the MAC-Freedom room here pretty soon. Lefty, Jon, Chiz, and any others moving across, I'll see you on the other side.

Chairman, I get your point but I just hope your evaluation and assessment of the new staff is accurate.   They are great guys with the fans and alumni but one may question the strategic plan or seemingly lack of a strategic plan for each game played.  At times it seems to me (my opinion) that they may have had a game or two in their pocket and through rotations or subs they appear to have let it slip away.  Granted, if I am ignorant about protecting players I apologize whole heartedly.   Also you cannot fault the coach for not paying attention or turning the ball over at crucial times nor missing foul shots for that matter.  But as a coach should the team maybe have practiced foul shots all day or something?  Sound juvenile but...........    also at points in certain games I don't know if the best players were on the floor. 

Hoping the staff and coach bring in some new blood with their connections and start really turning the program around.   I realize getting blood out of a stone is a hard job based on the amount of talent there was out there as you claim.  I realize the Dzik era is gone forever.  Moving on though.

I admit the level of talent may not have been what I expected but I thought they woulda coulda shoulda won a couple of important games but choked on doing the little things.   Guess this was the identity of the team as you claim could not get out of their own way.   On any account... they are toast now so time to enjoy the other games.  Thank you for your response.

[chairman]

From everything I hear, the coach is working his face off on the recruiting trail as well. Sometimes that results in a great class and sometimes it doesn't, but I think he will get players over the next couple years. He doesn't have delusions about trying to recruit nationally, but it seems like he is trying to tie into the network of alumni to try to get local talent.

There is a difference now from what it used to be in that as good a job as he does, he still won't have admissions and financial aid in his pocket.

[lefty2]

WolfFlyerPac,

I appreciate your passion, but with your shoot first and ask questions later approach, I hope you don't carry a weapon.

[Flyer]

From everything I hear, the coach is working his face off on the recruiting trail as well. Sometimes that results in a great class and sometimes it doesn't, but I think he will get players over the next couple years. He doesn't have delusions about trying to recruit nationally, but it seems like he is trying to tie into the network of alumni to try to get local talent.

There is a difference now from what it used to be in that as good a job as he does, he still won't have admissions and financial aid in his pocket.

Thank you Chairman, you did a good job putting things into perspective. I do appreciate you taking time to acknowledge my concern.  I realize things won't be the same, but if you say he is working hard what more can one ask.  Just needed to be reassured we did not have another coach who does not know what to do with the support and network available to him to start recruiting.   

Lefty... I carry a 2by4 piece of lumber around in my truck with me to bat people over the head if I don't like them.  I hardly use it though I just use my bare hands to strangle people most of the time. (just kidding).

Ursinus looks like they are the team to beat in this area anyone agree?  Do you think Widener or Lycoming will beat any PAC team that comes out?

[The General]

IU just beat Misericordia and "the vern" Lost to GMC so IU will be hosting the championship game.

and if Ursinus is the team to beat in the area, IU beat them earlier this season. just thought i would let you know

[mailsy]

Congratulations to Gwynedd and Immaculata.  Thank you for keeping the title in the "PAC".  Friday will be a good game.  IU's only loss at home this year is against Gwnedd.  Is this game going to be on the webcast?  Hope so.  Good luck to the Vern and Miseri in the MAC.

IU just beat Misericordia and "the vern" Lost to GMC so IU will be hosting the championship game.

and if Ursinus is the team to beat in the area, IU beat them earlier this season. just thought i would let you know

Welcome to the board The General.  Yes, we know that they beat Ursinus,  however, that win was at home, where they are 9 - 1.  Even if they win, which I hope they do, they will be on the road where they are 8 - 8.  Just thought I'd let you know.

[hIdeUmm]

In for a Great game on Friday night. Cant wait!!!


just another thought to add on to the Ursinus chatter. Finklea, the Macs, leading scorer did not play in the Home game vs Ursinus.