MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[IUuKno]

Hey guys what's up with Washington?  He looked healthy at the IU game.

[Wolfpac]

Wish I knew.  Rebuilding time.

[hIdeUmm]

rebuilding?

[mailsy]

Cabrini just didn't look good at all last night.  (I wouldn't say rebuilding).  Washington didn't play and the team just was out of sorts.  Gwynedd probably played there best game of the year so far last night and Cabrini by far played their worst.  They didn't shoot well, got outrebounded and just looked like a defeated team before the game even started.  Just one observers opinion. 

[Wolfpac]

Cabrini just didn't look good at all last night.  (I wouldn't say rebuilding).  Washington didn't play and the team just was out of sorts.  Gwynedd probably played there best game of the year so far last night and Cabrini by far played their worst.  They didn't shoot well, got outrebounded and just looked like a defeated team before the game even started.  Just one observers opinion. 

Cabrini had too small of a team in height and weight going up against GMC.   They were unable to box anyone out or rebound. Seemed like the players were not mentally prepared. The new coach now knows what kind of players he needs for competing in the conference to fit into his system.  Objectively speaking, an indepth analysis needs to be done for the future.  No depth and weak bench does not help either when your franchise player is absent and your starters are chewed up by a superior opponent. GMC is a real team afterall.  Nice wake up call.  The Lady Cavs on the otherhand were spit and polished like race horses ready to bust out of the gate.   

Financing a college education at Cabrini is a difficult variable to control when recruiting. Perhaps they will end up competitive at least.  As far as a regional powerhouse it will take alot of hard work to get the type of player needed with all the schools nearby.   Tough job to handle during these economic times.  I do not envy the coaching staff.  I am sure they will overcome and succeed though if they stay long enough.  Seems like the whole conference gets stronger while time ticks by though for Cabrini.

   

[CoachM33]

When recruiting what schools, in conference, do you guys feel have the biggest advantages when it comes to things such as tuition cost, area, programs, facilities, and anything else you can think of?  Who has the biggest disadvantage?  and which programs do the best job recruiting with what they have?

[Wolfpac]

When recruiting what schools, in conference, do you guys feel have the biggest advantages when it comes to things such as tuition cost, area, programs, facilities, and anything else you can think of?  Who has the biggest disadvantage?  and which programs do the best job recruiting with what they have?

Facilities are not a variable allowed to lure a person to campus I believe in compliance with the NCAA....  academic entrance requirements, selection of majors, coaches, policies within the school mission, word of mouth, tradition etc......  Obviously it comes down to trust and financial aid packages and who can work the magic numbers.

I would think in this conference that the schools located in areas less saturated with other private d3 institutions have a better shot at landing a recruit than a school on the main line.   However people tend to migrate to basketball rich regions from the mountains and vice-versa.......

I would believe a school like IU would have an advantage winning a conference recently and a young coach who is savy, and say a new school entering the conference may be at a disadvantage with a poor record.   Cabrini with so many changes and high price makes it difficult to get the type of player traditionally in their target market.    On the other hand, a great coach could be the best draw to attract a player.  The program with the most success is good for the pure player but the academic reputation of the institution with the D3 mission with the goal of education number one is the main determining factor with price.   Marywood, Scranton, Keystone they are spread apart if I am correct in the upstate region so location may have more of a say with less high schools in one area.  Depends how far the recruiting effort of the institution is willing to go to succeed.  It is D3... so athletics are not everything only to us phanatics on the board maybe but the athletic part for the student is secondary even though a coach may depend on recruiting for a job.   Please correct me if I am not making sense... only expressing my view for what it is worth.

[lefty2]

WolfCSAC,
You've covered all the recruiting bases.  But, facilities absolutely is a factor in recruiting. 

Regarding northern geography, Misericordia, King's, Wilkes, Marywood, Keystone, Baptist Bible and Scranton are all within 30-40 minutes of each otherwhich makes for a very competitive recruiting market

[Wolfpac]

WolfCSAC,
You've covered all the recruiting bases.  But, facilities absolutely is a factor in recruiting. 

Regarding northern geography, Misericordia, King's, Wilkes, Marywood, Keystone, Baptist Bible and Scranton are all within 30-40 minutes of each otherwhich makes for a very competitive recruiting market

Lefty,  I am sure the appeal of the physical place where the game is played is a huge variable in determining where one would like to play and attend from the athlete's point of view.  What I meant to say unless I am wrong and I apologize if I am incorrect.... an institution may have a policy where it cannot use the building alone to recruit a player.  I would think it would be an unfair advantage if one place had the best facility it would attract the best players regardless of the other factors.  I believe at one CSAC school that the staff is not permitted to sell a potential player on just the athletic facilities. Now  I do not know if it is a policy across the board or just specific to the school.   A coach also told me if I bring someone in to watch a game it is OK but you cannot just bring someone in and see an empty building to sell them on  it unless it is part of the campus as a whole tour. (Grants, private donations then would come into play with construction in an affluent geographic area or one donor could make the playing field more unlevel). 

Again Lefty2, this may only apply to one school not the NCAA so please if you know shed some light on the issue...or anyone else... appreciate it.   

[Wolfpac]

Well, tonight will tell if Neuman will be even with Cabrini. Lets see what Keystone can do against GMC......

Things are getting tight in the middle.

[mailsy]

GMC won as expected.  They are going to run away with this conference.  Not giving up. Maybe they'll have a couple of stinkers at the end.  Cabrini wins again against BBC.  Kevin Misevicius scores a school record 41 points!!  Neumann shows Mr Hyde tonight losing to Centenary.  Congrats Centenary fans!  Mighty Macs blow out Philly Bible.

Right now GMC will have the one seed.  I'm not sure about tiebreakers but Cabrini or Marywood would be a 2nd or 3rd seeds.  Marywood - 4 Neumann - 5 and Immaculata - 6.  Still... just half way through conference play. 

Do you think it will stay or will BBC or Centenary sneak in and if so, who will get knocked out?

[tonymnm]

Of course I am gonna go with my Cyclones for the last spot. I know they have both of the Bible schools left along with Marywood who they lost to by 2 points earlier in the year. The new staff seems to be playing more people off the bench, and have been getting some production , along with rest for their starters. Anyway it ends up I think they did a very good job this year, so far. There was no falling apart like other years, it would be good experience for the players and coaches to make the playoffs. Of course GMC will beat everyone this year.

[mailsy]

Of course I am gonna go with my Cyclones for the last spot. I know they have both of the Bible schools left along with Marywood who they lost to by 2 points earlier in the year. The new staff seems to be playing more people off the bench, and have been getting some production , along with rest for their starters. Anyway it ends up I think they did a very good job this year, so far. There was no falling apart like other years, it would be good experience for the players and coaches to make the playoffs. Of course GMC will beat everyone this year.

So tonymnm,

Of course you think the Cyclones are going to make it. But who do you think, that is ahead of them now, will not make it?

[hIdeUmm]

just a thought tony GMC was SUPPOSED to beat IU the last 2 yrs in the playoff, in the semis 2 yrs ago and in the chip last year (according to popular opinion) theres always something about GMC that makes me not think they cant finish (personal opinion) . I HAVE NOT seen them play too much but 7-8 mins @ neumann on webcast, they are good but i still think anyone can beat anyone in this league. Never ASSUME anything when it comes to this league.

[CoachM33]

Just glancing over the rest of the conference schedule....I really think that last spot is still up for grabs...Immaculata is holding on to that 6 spot, but they have some tough matchups.  Centenary could possibly squeak in but needs to beat IU and split with Cabrini along win the rest of the Bible games.  From what I saw of Baptist Bible I think they are the least likely, Now granted I did see them when Centenary blew them out, but they also had that hangover win against Keystone, but I just didn't see them as a better team even if they did play well, plus Centenary has them at home later on.  I don't know if Centenary will squeak in or not but they still have a shot I think (Good luck Tony!). 

As far as the recruiting issue, I think you make a good point wolf, I understand what you are saying when it comes to selling on facilities, but I think that has a major part to do in recruiting.  Who has the nicest facilities in the conference?  I don't mean Gym, I mean overall, dorms, weightrooms, classrooms, everything on campus. 

Also, you make a good point (lefty) and the schools that are close to each other have recruiting issues.  The upstate teams are close to each other, also Centenary is in a tough area as well, they are within 50 mins of most of the NJAC and Landmark schools, if they would be able to lure some NJAC talent away they would be alot more athletic. The problem there is Centenary is like Cabrini in that it cost alot to go there.

Any ideas which coach will do the best job recruiting this year? or which coach does the best job year in and out?