MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Wolfpac]

What a finish at the Dixon. Good Set up for Friday night. Dom Ferrello let off the hook for a stupid technical at a crucial part of the game. Congrats to the Cavs and the Griffins. but thank you to Keystone and Baptist Bible for making an impact on the CSAC in your 1st season.

Well said Hide....... what do think happens next Hide ? ?

[dwarf]

anybody know why G Washington did not play last night?  will he play in the final?

[IUuKno]

Good question...Cabrini doesnt stand a chance without him they lost by 35 when they played GMC without him before.  It won't be that bad this time around but if washington doesnt play I see GMC winning by 15 or more....then again like the NFL season taught us never count out the team with the "no one believes in us but us" factor....neverthless my prediction w/o GW:  GMC wins 83-67  w/ GW GMC wins 90-86...congrats to both teams for making it this far

[mailsy]

I will agree with hIdeUmm that last nights game was pretty exciting. 

Some things about last night, many people including myself thought the refereeing was spotty at best. If you look at it as a whole you could say that.  It seemed like one official was the root cause.  It was interesting watching security hustle them out very quickly at the end of the game. 

It was a stupid technical on Dom.  Emotions were running high because of the "spotty officiating" and the "T" came after a play that a Cabrini player stole the ball and was called for a foul.  Not a bad call, it was a horrible call.  Dom's emotions almost cost them the game, because that was his 5th foul.  Hopefully with some more maturity he'll be able to better channel that emotion.

I would say that FT's really cost both teams the game.  Cabrini missed 6 FTs in the first half but went 10-13 in the second half when it really counted.  Keystone only missed two in the first half, but they missed 6 in the second.  So it evened out overall.  It seems Keystone didn't handle the pressure so well.

Cabrini outscored Keystone 11-1 in the last 4+ minutes.  One key play was on a play and a foul to the basket, I believe at the 1:40 mark of the game.  Keystone(Lunger?) player drove to the basket made the basket and got the foul.  But the ball was bouncing in the cylinder and a Keystone Player (#23) touched the rim.  So it was offensive goaltending and the basket did not count.  Lunger hit the first FT but missed the second.  That play would have put Keystone up by 4(64-60). That would have forced Cabrini into deeper shots and KC wouldn't have been forced to try and tie it up at the end of the game but to win it.

anybody know why G Washington did not play last night?  will he play in the final?

The answer to your question is that he "should" see some playing time in the final. 

[mailsy]

I also think that Keystone will be much better next year.  They have a lot of young players that saw a lot of time last night(also lost their cool too much) and they should be around for a few more years causing havoc in the CSAC. 

[IUuKno]

On a side note...I think it is time that this league decide to hold it's championship game at a neutral gym that is big enough to hold all the fans that would like to come...home court advantage really isnt that huge in a championship game bc the home school has to reserve a set number of tickets for the visiting school...It is just a shame to see people not be able to get into the game even if they have been following the team the whole season...prime example was last yr's championship game...I hope it doesnt happen again this yr gmc has a much better set up than IU, but give this game what it deserves, the max number of fans and the best facility possible

[mailsy]

So IUuKno,

Where would you like to see it played?  In the Conference, around the Philly area, only Cabrini has the facility.  I know you are not suggesting that.  8) I believe you are wrong about the home court advantage though.  GMC hasn't lost a game at the friendly confines of The Griffin Complex this year.  If you win the conference in the regular season then you should get the opportunity to host.  I think IU had a great home court advantage last year, that's part of the reason they won the championship and earned the right to go to the NCAA's.  Yes, many of the gym's are band boxes but that is the college's decision that's why 10 years ago Cabrini chose to build a new facility.  I don't believe GMC has any intentions right now of building a new facility, so you're going to have to live with it.  If you want to see the game show up earlier. That goes for everybody, myself included.

[IUuKno]

Well off the top of my head Arcadia has a gym that would be suffice...As for last years game IU had to reserve almost half their tickets for GMC leaving many IU students on the outside looking in...the home court advantage seemed huge for IU bc all those GMC fans didnt have much to cheer about...it wasnt a close game in the end....also it isnt a matter of showing up early, i dont know how they are handeling it this yr but last yr tickets were pre-sold and you couldnt buy a seat at the door...even players had to stand in line and buy tickets for their family....point is if they wanted to make it happen they could oh yea just thought of another gym The "Vern"

[lefty2]

The neutral site is certainly an interesting concept, but I doubt that Arcadia and Alvernia would get many votes to serve as CSAC hosts.

[mailsy]

The neutral site is certainly an interesting concept, but I doubt that Arcadia and Alvernia would get many votes to serve as CSAC hosts.

That is true.   

[IUuKno]

Maybe not, but that's why a decsion wouldn't be made off the top of their heads...the point is there are many great facilities around the city (maybe USP?) and in my opinon it would only add to the aura of this game....Teams are rewarded for their regular season titles with a home game to get to this point and in the playoff tournament both teams entering the final have the same record, just my opinon that it should be played out on a "grander" stage

[mailsy]

This argument is not going to go anywhere.  It alll sounds so wonderful. But this is not D1.  Most of the other gyms have capacity of greater than a 1000. ( BBC-1500, Cab-1200, Cent 1200, GMC-1200, Keystone-1000). The others (Marywood 800, PBU-800, NC-300) have less.  I say let the schools decide where they want the home game.  If Immaculata doesn't have the capacity(per D3hoops website, 0) then they can decide to put it somewhere else.

This stuff has to be arranged in the future.  It also costs money, which many programs are fighting to get and keep.  Do you think that a school who finishes out of the playoffs wants to fund a "neutral" gym or "grander stage" for another school that makes it?  Time to face reality of Division 3 BBall.   It would also cost more for the fans who follow the teams. More costs at the gate and travel costs.

But let's say for arguments sake that next year, that the top 2 teams are Keystone and Marywood.  DO you think it is fair to have their fans travel down to "USP" as you stated.  One supported their team at their gym all year to get the right to win the regular season championship and the other team finishes second.  Then you're going to make both teams fans travel 2+hours down to Philly.  That's nuts.  That would be like having GMC and Cabrini fans travel up to Scranton area on Friday night so we could have an extra 1000 seats. Most people in that area aren't going to care and most of the fans wouldn't travel up there.  So this is just ridiculous and it's just not smart. This is not DI basketball.

[IUuKno]

Ok well first of all I am not proposing an immediate change obviously it would be a process.  All I am saying is that it is a shame that there can be situations (like last year) that a large majority of fans are left out in the cold for the most important game of the year.  I am sorry if I wasnt clear, but I wasnt suggesting USP or Alvernia or Arcadia as the solution, I was merely refuting your point "In the Conference, around the Philly area, only Cabrini has the facility."  Which clearly isnt true....All I am doing is suggesting an improvement...sit there all you want and say its "not smart", but turning down an idea without giving it the proper look over and a quick no is "not smart"....if we were all so adverse to change there will still be no shot clock or three point line...

[hIdeUmm]

Hey lets relax here it was just a suggestion. And remember Cabrini's gym doubles the size of Immaculata (which holds 660 people by the way). Last year the players stood in line for tickets to their own game. The students were allowed to buy 1. GMC fans didnt show up to support the Griffins so more IU fans got in HOWEVER, HALF the tickets were available to GMC they just didnt utilize them. i believe it is a CSAC rule that HALF the tickets MUST BE available to the other school so in the end is that really Home Court advantage with the fans?


This G Wash situation is just weird if you ask me.


With him they have a chance but i think its a 89- 80 GMC game with him.
Without him its 93-74 GMC.


BUT YET AGAIN THATS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME!

[hIdeUmm]

Even though more fans got in some were still shut out to watch on webcast.