MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[IUuKno]

Oh and good luck to both teams tomorrow...hopefully its a close game with little officiating woes

[mailsy]

+1 IUuKno

[Pat Coleman]

Only if you fall below the required seven teams would you be in danger of losing the automatic bid, and even then you have a two-year grace period to get back up to speed.

[patriot1741]

i'll take gwynnedd tonight... 93-74... i think they just overpower the cavs and they are way too physical for them

[Pat Coleman]

Been listening to the postgame show for seven minutes and no score mentioned yet. GMC won.

Anyone who knows the score, please pass it along.

[Pat Coleman]

Nine minutes in it was finally mentioned: 108-96 GMC.

[mailsy]

Tonight's game was really rockin' at the Griffin Complex tonight.  Congrats to Gwynedd for winning the CSAC this year.  They have a very solid team.  Best of Luck to them in the NCAA's.  This Cabrini fan will be rooting for the boys to some damage in the tourney.

However,My assessment of tonights refereeing was that it was not even close to bad.  It was in a range so far out that bad would be a compliment.  I have been very disappointed with the refereeing this year.  I have never seen anything like it in my years of watching D3 basketball.

I don't know necessarily know if the poor officiating caused the loss but they were pretty close.  The personal fouls were 25-17 against the Cavs.  Cabrini just barely got into the one and one in the second half.  Don't tell me that I'm a sore loser when the foul calls were 18 on Cabrini and 8 were on GMC in the second half.  A player would get hammered and the refs swallow their whistles and then on the other end they'd call some ticky tack foul and that call came from the ref on the other side of the court.  Just to name a few incidents.  Needless to say Gwynedd won and many of the Cabrini faithful were not happy. 

But, I'm just going to say it.  Cabrini got home court jobbed!!! 

Gwynedd is a solid team and I won't take anything away from them.  But I would have liked to have seen a much better officiated game then the one I witnessed tonight.

[IUuKno]

Hmmm...ok I have a few things to cover here...First of all Jon Hogga was by far the best player on the floor tonight, he has no business playing d3 ball, and who knows why he only played 19 min...he was flat out ungaurdable in the first half ...Next I know my neutral site suggestion didnt go over so well but how about this one, move the game to 8pm instead of 7 it seemed like the place didnt completely fill untill about 8 anyway

Now on to the offciating...I thought there were some not so friendly calls for cabrini (toward the end) however in my opinon it had little to do with the outcome...you can attribute the foul differential to some degree to the fact that cabrini took a ton of jumpshots and didnt do a great job attacking the basket and KM''s 4th and 5th foul (I abreviate bc i cant spell) were lazy and probably was the straw the broke the camels back (although I wonder why your best player with 4 fouls is at the top of the press trapping), but to say they got jobbed is simply not true and I think a comment out of passion? ...the better team won tonight and on a side note in my opinon that was the best offciating crew that this league has to offer (not sayin they did their best but they r the best)

On the crowd...I was sitting in the heart of the Cabrini faithful (common colors drew me there) and I was pulling for them...The GMC fans were weak and it was an awkward celebration and I honestly wish Cabrini had won bc it would have been a much better scene ...The Cabrini fans had the oppertunity to take the gym over if only they had more to cheer about

Overall neither team played any defense, cabrini because they just didnt match up well and a shootout was their best shot and gmc bc the just didnt play smart defensively....which is why I dont see gmc lasting more than a game or two in the tourny although they have the talent for much more

Next yr things look bright for both programs and I have a strong feeling there will be a rematch

Congrats to GMC

[mailsy]

IUuKno,

There certainly was some emotion last night.  Time to think about it with an okay night sleep.  I agree with many of your points. 

Hogga, your right was the best player on the court.  He will be a force for GMC for a couple more years.  Maybe he'll come to his senses and move on to D2.    . 

Part of the reason GMC crowd was weak is that they started spring break Friday and Cabrini is still in session.  But you are right about the Cabrini fans.  They were much more enthusiastic and if Cavs won the place would have gone nuts. Glad you were with us.  I kind of agree with you about an 8:00pm start. I think that especially on a Friday night they could have started later to make sure there weren't  so many late arrivals. I still disagree about neutral sight, though.

With a score of 108-96.  You are right there was no defense and 96 points should get you a win on most nights.

Really the best?   Well you are right about one thing they were not their best last night.(Still my opinion)   If Cabrini wasn't the second best team in the league, they would have overcome a "poor" night by the officiating... no matter what!!!

Again congratulations to Gwynedd and best of luck in the NCAA's!!!

[Wolfpac]

Hmmm...ok I have a few things to cover here...First of all Jon Hogga was by far the best player on the floor tonight, he has no business playing d3 ball, and who knows why he only played 19 min...he was flat out ungaurdable in the first half ...Next I know my neutral site suggestion didnt go over so well but how about this one, move the game to 8pm instead of 7 it seemed like the place didnt completely fill untill about 8 anyway

Now on to the offciating...I thought there were some not so friendly calls for cabrini (toward the end) however in my opinon it had little to do with the outcome...you can attribute the foul differential to some degree to the fact that cabrini took a ton of jumpshots and didnt do a great job attacking the basket and KM''s 4th and 5th foul (I abreviate bc i cant spell) were lazy and probably was the straw the broke the camels back (although I wonder why your best player with 4 fouls is at the top of the press trapping), but to say they got jobbed is simply not true and I think a comment out of passion? ...the better team won tonight and on a side note in my opinon that was the best offciating crew that this league has to offer (not sayin they did their best but they r the best)

On the crowd...I was sitting in the heart of the Cabrini faithful (common colors drew me there) and I was pulling for them...The GMC fans were weak and it was an awkward celebration and I honestly wish Cabrini had won bc it would have been a much better scene ...The Cabrini fans had the oppertunity to take the gym over if only they had more to cheer about

Overall neither team played any defense, cabrini because they just didnt match up well and a shootout was their best shot and gmc bc the just didnt play smart defensively....which is why I dont see gmc lasting more than a game or two in the tourny although they have the talent for much more

Next yr things look bright for both programs and I have a strong feeling there will be a rematch

Congrats to GMC

OK    IUuKno/Mailsy

Let me get this straight.......

Hogga and Smith are D1 transfers. Because of this GMC was more talented and athletic. Afterall when someone comes in from the Patriot league (Lafayette) it helps. 

GMC was more talented and athletic overall. Their gaurds were slashing and cutting all night with motion and they were the better team.

Hogga drained 5 3pt shots and scored 22 pts in the first half but ended with 25 as well as Smith 25.   The rest of the team scored 58 pts.

Cavs offense was not in synch with the outside shots, they could not drive nor rebound but were committing fouls left and right due to the fact they could not gaurd the 2 wonder twins who were prima donnas.

Cabrini's fans blew away the GMC fans, the celebration was weak.

From what the facts say GMC with its home court adv. should have won the game easily.   I do not see a problem.

Marcus Kahn could out coach a few in the CSAC if the playing field was equal.  Baron is a great recruiter but not the best coach.

I observed no set schemes for the Cavs in terms of inbounding the ball. NO stacking or sliding, I only saw them double down low but then one or the other wonder twins were open.  Adds up to a blow out in my opinion but the Cavs hung in there.

The officials in this league are not consistent.  I know 2 who are father and sons and one was there last night.  Guess what he is a high school ref up in Leheigh and he was calling like high school last night.  He is only a substitute ref at best at this level...... I can verify.

Due to the lobsided lead it was easy for the officials to call the easy fouls or not get it right since the game was out of reach towards the end.

Charles Bush got robbed and was rewarded with a Technical, Kevin M. was in mid court earlier swating flys but OK..... Smith was at mid court a few times swatting flys but nothing was called.   OK what about the player with the No1 on his jersey who hopped and traveled and there were not any calls.  What about GW getting fouled but not a call on the sidelines in front of the Cavs bench.   

Granted....GMC was a better team but the cards were stacked from the beginning.  I really think the better team based on what resources and personnel they had were the Cavs and our fans kicked some tail.

By the way the Griffin center does not hold the capacity it states.  They better revise their figures.  I have been there since it existed so I know.


GMC had the officials in their back pocket from the start which did not help but they deserve the win.  Perhaps the Cavs could get in the tourney in some backdoor way. 

When a player is truly fouled I hear the Cavs fans saying no he had him or that was a foul even in the heat of the moment.   Cavs fans are knowledgeable believe me.  They tend to yell at their own players for being stupid.... but tonight the fouls were truly ridiculous.  A couple were legitimate and a maybe a dozen or so were warrented but come on..............

I know refs are excuses and a good team wins against bad refs well we had the 2 best teams out there but only one was given a fair deal.  The refs have a difficult job, but a good crew knows how to manage a game from a better perspective and that crew sucked.

[Wolfpac]

Having said all that.....Congratulations to GMC and hope they do well in the tourney.  Congratulations to M. Kahn and the Cavs for a 20 win season.

Recruit.

[lefty2]

I thought shaky officiating only occurred north of the tunnel.

[IUuKno]

Ok well Wolf I will agree with you on the Bush charge call it was a clear flop, however they played much better with him on the bench #11 should have gotten more min....but here is the thing when a team plays as agressive offensively the way gmc played, they are going to get the calls thats just how the game goes, you arent going to get many calls when the majority of your shots are coming from 19ft and beyond, cabrini had very few STRONG takes to the basket...

I would have loved to have seen GW take the ball to the basket more and get to the line especially when his shot wasnt falling early...aslo there was a long stretch in the 2nd half where GW didnt even touch the ball and guys were taking bad shot, then Cabrini calls a timeout, runs a play for him and he finds KM shaping up on a screen for an easy two...but then they sort of ignore him again untill KM fouls out....

One note about the "Wonder" twins...Smith did transfer from the patriot league, but for a yr and a half got less than walk on minutes and just didnt belong on that level...probably could have been a hell of a D2 player and is a great d3 player...Hogga on the other hand played significant minutes for St. peters as a freshman and really doesnt belong on this level...just making that distinction, but having said that neither of them should be paying for school...and who knows maybe they rnt 

Lastly I thought Baron made some good ajustments at halftime, GMC slowed down and dictated the pace the rest of the game, whereas in the first half it was just run and gun and they managed the game poorly in the last min and allowed Cabrini to take some momentum going on an 8-1 run (unoffical, just my count) in the final 60 seconds

[patriot1741]

Granted....GMC was a better team but the cards were stacked from the beginning.  I really think the better team based on what resources and personnel they had were the Cavs

If you really think that Cabrini is the better team with better personnel, then it shows how skewed your thinking really is.  Were the refs shady? Sure.  Would it MAYBE have made a difference? Maybe.  I personally think that GMC knew they had it and would go on a run when they felt like pushing the lead out, then relax and let Cabrini come back.  That is why GMC won't do a lot in the tourney, they don't really play a full 40 minutes.  They can get away with it in the CSAC, but against top notch national competition it won't work.  Not to mention (as previously stated), they don't play any defense.  Back to my original point though, GMC is far and away more talented, athletic, skilled, than ANY team in this conference.  Barron may not be the best in-game coach, but when you have that kind of talent, it doesn't really matter.  

[Wolfpac]

I thought shaky officiating only occurred north of the tunnel.

The shaky one was from Lehigh so does that count as north of the tunnel?