MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Reserved Seat]

Are the rankings using different methods?  Is one method subjective and the other objective?
If one is objective, what is the criterion used?  In the past, I always thought the regional rankings were more flawed, but that's just my opinion.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Top 25 polls is voted on by 25 people around the country looking at anything and everything they want to rank the teams. But when it comes to the NCAA, they have regional rankings, that use five criteria: wins and loses IN REGION, Strength of Schedule (OWP x .667 + OOWP x .333), head-to-head, common opponents, and results versus regionally ranked opponents. So... from that you get the first regional rankings and the difference with the Top 25, which again voters use far more information then the regional committees are actually allowed to use.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Oh, the NCAA doesn't tell the committees which of the five criteria are to be used more then the other... except that it usually comes down to WL in region and SOS... and still, no guidance as to which gets more attention then the other - which the NCAA shouldn't say or we would have an actual formula determining who makes the NCAA tournaments.

[mailsy]

Oh, the NCAA doesn't tell the committees which of the five criteria are to be used more then the other... except that it usually comes down to WL in region and SOS... and still, no guidance as to which gets more attention then the other - which the NCAA shouldn't say or we would have an actual formula determining who makes the NCAA tournaments.

The Top 25 polls is voted on by 25 people around the country looking at anything and everything they want to rank the teams. But when it comes to the NCAA, they have regional rankings, that use five criteria: wins and loses IN REGION, Strength of Schedule (OWP x .667 + OOWP x .333), head-to-head, common opponents, and results versus regionally ranked opponents. So... from that you get the first regional rankings and the difference with the Top 25, which again voters use far more information then the regional committees are actually allowed to use.

Thank you for the insight. +1k 

[Wolfpac]

The Top 25 polls is voted on by 25 people around the country looking at anything and everything they want to rank the teams. But when it comes to the NCAA, they have regional rankings, that use five criteria: wins and loses IN REGION, Strength of Schedule (OWP x .667 + OOWP x .333), head-to-head, common opponents, and results versus regionally ranked opponents. So... from that you get the first regional rankings and the difference with the Top 25, which again voters use far more information then the regional committees are actually allowed to use.

Boy, how does a team who has to play more conference games than other teams in other conferences rate? Its not their fault they can't play as many out of conference games.  Do they look at quality of wins and what are quality wins within the confernece? What is the comparative basis and how could you figure a baseline without being slightly biased if you dig deeper into the wins of a weak conference for more variables.  Sounds unfair not very objective especially on a regional basis if it comes down to a whole region after comparison.  How does this work?  Is this the old ivory tower executives who have not coached in years making decisions or coaches without biases?

[Pat Coleman]

You should have tuned in to Hoopsville tonight!

[mailsy]

You should have tuned in to Hoopsville tonight!

Unfortunately Pat he was watching the Cabrini game on the net and not listening to the show.

[Wolfpac]

You should have tuned in to Hoopsville tonight!

Got ya Pat thx. 

Do not understand comparisions within larger boundaries if the national criteria does not apply to a region in terms of top 25 or tourney selections end up using more criteria or shall I say "whatever they want criteria" like how good a coach is or something.

Do variables like coaches, tradition, upsets, or region category control decisions made on selections if teams cannot be compared after statistical analysis? 

[Wolfpac]

Sorry, maybe I should oversimplify the question.

Is the selection political?

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

Archived show. Pick up the Feb. 4 show, that's the first in the archive. The Division III men's basketball national chair was on in the first half hour.

[Wolfpac]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

Archived show. Pick up the Feb. 4 show, that's the first in the archive. The Division III men's basketball national chair was on in the first half hour.

Got it now Pat, but just wondering what those "incomparable variables" would be after SOS, OWP, head to head, etc...... when number of inconference games differ.  The committee people must be really statistically oriented or are looking at the game at a much higher level to see the differences.
Thank you ....

[hIdeUmm]

How bout them second place macs?!? Really good game at alumnea last night even with the snow coming. I honestly have been doubting the team becase of their age and expierence. Disantis is the only mac from the PAC champ team. Starting out with 16 players down to 11 midseason that's tough but these players seem determined to prove me wrong and I'm not complaining. Does anyone see this team acually beating the cavs??

[mailsy]

How bout them second place macs?!? Really good game at alumnea last night even with the snow coming. I honestly have been doubting the team becase of their age and expierence. Disantis is the only mac from the PAC champ team. Starting out with 16 players down to 11 midseason that's tough but these players seem determined to prove me wrong and I'm not complaining. Does anyone see this team acually beating the cavs??

Anything is possible hIdeUmm.  They have a good shot on Thursday.  Cavs play at Neumann Wed. and then host your Mighty Macs the next night.  So it could happen. 

[mailsy]

Piedmont and Coach Dzik win again.   That's 5 in a row. Only 12 more to 500. 

[mailsy]

Now that all the games have been rescheduled (Rosemont/Keystone again), everyone should be well rested for Monday's contests.  Big games Monday.  Marywood looking to win to keep their faint playoff hopes alive at Rosemont.  Neumann at GMC.  Loser could be on the road for the entire playoffs.  Finally Immaculata at Keystone.  This game could be for second place.  Macs have already lost at home to KC 70-57.  If Macs win they'll have a game and half lead over Keystone.  If they lose they'll be back essentially a game and half due to the 2 losses to the Giants.  So it should be a fun Monday night in the CSAC!