MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Coach C]

It's a 6 team bracket where #1 and 2 have a bye on the first night.  The the lowest remaining seed then goes to #1 and the other to #2.  The highest remaining seed host the championship.

C

[E-E-E-E.UNIT]

Eastern played very well tonight agianst Marywood.  Eastern Had no problem working up a lather tonight. They played tough from begining to end.

[jmack]

Just wanted to make an announcement to all those who we might have missed-- The Men's Basketball Alumni of Cabrini are holding their annual Alumni Basketball game this Saturday at 1PM at Eastern University.  For more details, please see our site http://www.cavsalumni.com for more information.  Coach Dzik will be joining us on Saturday, as will many former Cabrini basketball players.   All are welcome.

[ayeyesabum]

First time poster here, so please give me a break if I say something off-kilter.  I have followed d3hoops for a while (years), but want to give some input to the PAC lineup, as it is finally getting interesting to some of us who have watched our team(s) sit at the bottom for so long.

Here's my go at the regular season rankings in the PAC:
1.  Alvernia
2.  EU
3.  Arcadia
4.  Wesley
5.  Neumann
6.  Cabrini

I'd like to hear from some of you.  This site is wayy too boring.

Coach C, are you going to wait until the end of the regular season to predict the regular season final 6?  Sure everybody has to play each other, isn't that the way it goes during conference time?

On a different note, I think people should consider Gwynedd's gym as one of the best in the PAC.  Think about it.  Home gym means advantage - who has the advantage the most?  If you don't think GMC as one of the top, you haven't been there when the conference is tight, because their fans are so loud behind the benches that it must be tough to talk to the team.

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Ok heres my top six:

1)  Alvernia- Clearly the top team in the pac, However, very very beatable by a a couple of teams in the PAC

2)  Eastern- Ok oviously im biased but still i dont think anyone would argue that eastern belongs here and could easily be team 1B to Avernia's 1A

3)  Arcadia- they have been tough in the Pac this year, almost coming out of no where but the have proved to be a tough match up for many teams in the PAC

4)  Neumann- This is the Dr.  Jeckel and Mr. Hide team of the PAC. Sometimes they really look good ( at home especially) and then some games they look terriable(lost at Cabrini).  I think that coming down the stretch that they will win some of these dog fights that they seem to play in all the time ( hopefully not starting on Sat.) They need a win soon with losing 2 straight including what had to be a very disappointing L to Immaculata.

5)  Wesley- this team could easily be at both the 3 and 4 spots. Everyone seems to know about Rashawn Johnson But no one is talking about this kid Nick Minor(Senior) who has put some nice games together. If Johnson and Minor can be more aggressive Late in games with the schedule they have left they could build some momentum going into the PAC playoffs.

6) Gwynedd or Cabrini-  two Hard to pick between the two. Gwynedd has the toughest schedule remaining of the two but Cabrini has seemed to have transformed their historic "swagger" into frustration under the new leadership.  If Cabrini can find the old cockyness that put them over the top in the past then look out in the playoffs.

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Having the fans right above you does give Gwynedd an intresting dynamic to their gym but Immaculata, Neumann, and Eastern have the Loudest Fans by far

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Wesley's fans are great as well

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coach c please give this room some life

[cavs8864]

  Is the PAC conference starting to become dilluted?

Cabrini usually sets the standard for the PAC yet without Dzik the credibility of the conference seems to have diminished slightly?

What will happen next?  Will Cabrini set a new standard or will the conference suffer temporarily.  Who is going to be the new spokesman for the PAC when times are tough? 

Please--- all PAC schools need to come together and try to plan their future.... look at this chat board for sake!....  Please realize how fragile this conference is.. yet historically because of great coaches has been put on the map with the performance of committed athletes.

Thank God for those woman too!   Look at the administration of some of the PAC schools.... Are they truly committed to the welfare of the student athlete in these tough times...  the all around student as the dIII philosophy indicates.  Perhaps some of us need to question the intergrity of the administration and step up before it is too late..

I don't want the league to turn into intramural squads... There were some great competitive games with Cabrini, Eastern and Allentown back in the days the PAC was created.   DI quality and academic excellence.  Where are we headed?

[cavs8864]

Remember for the sake of the students we need to have committment by someone or anyone to take sports to a competitive level in the PAC..... then the actions will speak louder than the words.

Imagine if a PAC team could win a National Title.........

The PAC needs someone to step up real big.... even if they don't get paid for it..... those students are out there putting their necks on the line each night and need guidance and committment from their school administration and staff.  LETS DO SOMETHING....

[rollingthunda]

Thats called hitting the nail on the head.  A lot of these schools need some serious turnarounds before any of their hoops programs have a chance to win anything.  Not an easy process though.

PAC room finally hits the century mark.

[Pat Coleman]

D-I quality? Wow, talk about delusional.

[ayeyesabum]

Did someone say something about D1 quality?  I would have to agree with Coleman that such an idea is delusional.

I do agree with some of what cavs said.  I think the point being made by cavs is that this conference is weak.  It definitely is.  However, I don't think that anyone can honestly say that this conference has been strong for a long time.  Example:  when is the last time we saw more than one PAC team ranked in the Top 25?  When is the last time we have had 2 or more teams make it to the tourney and then go past their first game?  I might be wrong, but I doubt the last question has ever occurred.

Just having one good team in the conference doesn't make it a good conference.  Gwynedd was good with Badou, but never great.  They needed a few things to make it there:  a dominating PG, Badou needed to be able to play D, and a better supporting staff.  Also, the Cavs were good, maybe great in their best runs, but who else was there with them?

Right now the conference needs some work.  When and if Alvernia gets into the tourney in March, they won't probably make it past the first weekend.  (the can only play 7-8 guys).  Plus, they won't be getting their home refs that they are so famous for, as everybody knows their schedule is weak (besides their D1 game) and they won't be given a home game.

By the way, cavs, if you think Cabrini is going somewhere with Macciocca, you are either drunk or high or both.  Macciocca doesn't recruit, is hated by his players (and parents), and might have gotten the job based on he and his family's bank statements.  Dzik deserved a better replacement - I give Coach M two years.

[Jon]

The ranking question is a good one, which I cannot answer.

Two teams in the tournament has happened as recently as 2002 with PAC Champ Cabrini posting road wins over Merchant Marine and William Paterson.  Alvernia (at-large) defeated Ithaca at home and lost in the second round at Elizabethtown.  The Blue Jays advanced to the National Championship taking out Cabrini (@ Catholic) along the way.

***BEWARE, a shamless ploy to increase traffic to home site follows***

In my free time this morning I assembled a one-page matrix for the remainder of the PAC Men's Basketball schedule.  Feel free to use it as support material as debate continues about the six teams to make the PAC Championships.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf

[cavs8864]

Not delusional; just got your attention so I could make my point.....
DIII is not- or will ever be DI obviously....


The real heartbreaker is the passion and desire these young men and women have to compete.  Sacrificing themselves in many ways and there seems to be only the intrinsic reward for them unless superstar status is acheived or if their career is a stepping stone.

The athletes of the PAC are some of the best... but the infrastructure of the league is built upon the puppet strings of the schools with the cabinet level decision-making budget minded  etc.....

Is there not some way to put more control of the athletics into the hands of the those who have financial knowledge/ hands on in the field of team sports (AD's) and propose a body of legislation which could quantify the benefits of having a serious and winning program in a school in terms of enrollment?   We must move on ! ! ! !

Traditions are wonderful in the PAC but the fan base in only intact until graduations.  The exception being a winning dynasty and consistent winning which means recruiting and large staffs in this saturated area.   

How unfortunate to hear how Cabrini has poor leadership in all areas except for the tradition of JOHN DZIK........     

What is next for the PAC?   Cabrini seems to be raising tuition and increasing quality for academics yet only fluffing up the athletics.  Dollars spent on nice artwork and beautiful programs do not translate into winning....   ask Dzik.

What a time for a team like Eastern to capitalize while playing their best ball recently....  McTammey understands the concept well, and their coaches are on the same page... I wish they could build a new gym.


Seriously,  what the heck is happening to this conference...  the administrations (not every single one) are taking over all facets and ignoring some simple values which translate into long term benefits and winning traditions for the whole school.    I hate money...........
Afterall, these kids came to DIII for two things... 1 get and education and 2 play ball.......   How come other conferences can compete?

What disgusts me the most is when the fans, players, and coaches are in the heat of the game and an athletic director is laughing with a college president on the sidelines not even knowing what the name of the conference is or if their school is in first or last place....

GET MY DRIFT......