MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[PacMan20]

Who is responsible for the scheduling of games?  Is it the athletic department or head coaches.  I ask this question because one particular team had a game scheduled last night during finals week.  The teams 2 best players could not have their final rescheduled so they ended up missing just about the whole first half of this road game.

My point is that this athletic department and or coach doesnt seem to have a clue scheduling a road game in the middle of finals week when the rest of division 3 is taking off. Secondly I understand that education is important and it is the main goal with athletics coming second.  However that being said why wasnt there something resolved with the teacher to have the final at a different time.  Seems kind of rediculous to me. 

IN the words of a coaching legend. ( I cant say who.) "This guy, he just doesnt get it"

[chizwiz]

chizwiz,

I don't anticipate a barnburner at Chestnut Hill, I was just looking for a reasonable opportunity to catch Arcadia in action.

Willie Chandler would be the name of the Misericordia sharp shooter...his 51-point quadruple overtime effort at the PEC is a frequently retold story on midday trips to Rosa's Pizza Place here in Shillington.

Jon,

Didn't mean to unnecessarily argue.  Since Chestnut Hill and Arcadia are somwhat close in talent/etc., that should be an okay game to look at Arcadia's talents.

Man I wish I could have seen Chandler's 51 point performance.  You are lucky if you saw it.

[chizwiz]

Who is responsible for the scheduling of games?  Is it the athletic department or head coaches.  I ask this question because one particular team had a game scheduled last night during finals week.  The teams 2 best players could not have their final rescheduled so they ended up missing just about the whole first half of this road game.

My point is that this athletic department and or coach doesnt seem to have a clue scheduling a road game in the middle of finals week when the rest of division 3 is taking off. Secondly I understand that education is important and it is the main goal with athletics coming second.  However that being said why wasnt there something resolved with the teacher to have the final at a different time.  Seems kind of rediculous to me. 

IN the words of a coaching legend. ( I cant say who.) "This guy, he just doesnt get it"

PacMan20,

I can speak on this since I have worked in athletics administration.  Normally, it is up to the coach to decide when and who he plays (out of conference).  Also, he can reschedule conference games if the opposing team agrees to any proposed changes.  It is important to note that this power to schedule is given by the AD.  If the AD wants to schedule it, it will usually be done by the Assistant AD, or, in big programs (not usually D3), by the Director of Basketball Operations (who would probably be corresponding with and/or under the supervision of the coach).

In this instance, I must say that we should give the coach (I can only assume you are speaking of Macciocca) a break.  There are a lot of factors that would have been tough for him to see or fix.  He was probably working on this schedule around this time (if he's on the ball) for the following year's schedule.  If so, he wouldn't have known that a finals week game was a bad idea.  There are other teams in the conference who have played during finals week.  EU has done it and got the whole team to the game.

That being said, it is usually athletic department policy to not schedule games during finals weeks, as such problems you mentioned are common occurrences.  However, most schools have policies that allow the coach to basically write a note to the professor, requesting a separate test time for the athlete(s), and the prof must comply.  This isn't always the case.

The only thing that the coach could have done was ask all players to check their finals schedules beforehand.  If a player had a final (which it seems this coach's players did), the coach could have pushed through a change of date with the prof, even if there was no policy to allow for it.

I will say that a road game in the middle of finals week is very ill-advised.  I doubt this coach will make that same mistake again, but he has surprised me before with his "ill-advised" actions.

[Jon]

Saw the Chandler performance from the crow's nest at the PEC...I must say that even though I haven't been around that long, I've seen some pretty spectacular basketball games and some equally impressive individuals.

Some of the games I am contractually obligated to never make mention of again.  If memory serves, the Chandler game was the final game of the regular season and was a victory needed for home court throughout the playoffs.  I've been treated to my share of buzzer beaters and late game heroics, and just about every Albright/Alvernia game is memorable for one reason or another.

I pity the fools who don't take the time to catch a good Division III game.

[lefty2]

I had the pleasure of witnessing most of Willie Chandler's performances - but I missed the 51-pointer.

The Misericordia/Wilkes contest will actually be the day after the Misericordia/King's game at the King's College Ramada Inn Classic.

Tough time of year - but with three of the four participants being within 20 minutes of each other, it might be interesting.

I'm glad it's not in my gym.

On another note, I can't argue that John Dzik's departure from Cabrini was a disaster.  However, that's no fault of the new coach. 

[allstar scout]

Lefty2:

Well spoken on the John Dzik situation. Anyone who has coached sports knows that you are here today and gone tommorrow!

I have been on both sides of the same situation, I have been replaced after an undefeated season because of a new Athletic Director and have been brought in by a new Athletic Director. Not a fun situation on either side especially if you are hired to replace a popular coach! There is a term that is quoted in these situations:

                                             ""NEW BROOM SWEEPS CLEAN"

I always think back to things famous successful coaches have said and heres one that all coaches and athletic directors should remember:

 
                 "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." -- John Wooden 

[Coach K]

Yes, Willie Chandler was the man. He's gotten some pro time for the Valley Dawgs when they were in existance, does anyone know of his whereabouts now?

Coaches are hired to be fired unfortunately. I have been a part of a program where we have done everything but win, but unfortunately, the win-loss record is what people are most concerned about, regardless of what you are doing for the student-athletes or if you represent the institution you are coaching for in a responsible manner.

Miseri Wilkes is interesting, and I do my shopping on Dec. 24th Jon

[WolfPAC]

Chiz:

I do not know what Nordstroms has to do with the conversation but, if he was a lawyer, doctor, dentist, sales manager, police officer would it matter in regards to his coaching. And since everyone knows the position is part time doesn't he have to do something to make more money correct? By the way since you are an EU guy and the coaches occupations matter to you, what do the staff at EU do besides coaching? And does it matter?

Anyway my point about the staff is do you know their backgrounds? From what I understand he has a couple of good basketball people on his staff. But DIII is no different than any other level assdistant coaches are there to give input not make decisions. I think you will agree with that statement.

And finally I know Jim Mac, Jeff, Colin, Vic and Dom. And I am involved in the game.

Watch out for this team if and once they win a close game! I believe the other teams in the PAC will be in trouble. This team has some very talented players!

AllStar Spout,

You're correct.  It doesn't matter what the coaches do for their bread and butter.  But it sure is funny.  My question is, if Macciocca's profession of choice is men's fashion, why is it that he gets outdressed (as well as out-coached) at most games.  Just my opinion.  By the way, get off the "do we know about their backgrounds" thing.  Sports is only about "what have you done for me lately".  Give Coach Nadelhoffer a call if you like.  I'm sure he will be able to tell you his other jobs.  To reach him at his desk, call:  610-341-1454.  This is a public number that can be found on the internet.

You are correct on the talent thing.  But talent and execution are two different things.  Just ask the St. Louis Rams of a few years ago, when they thought they should win the Super Bowl.

It's also great that you know the boys I mentioned, but you avoided my point.  Ask them and they can confirm what we all have said about Macciocca's treatment of them.

Nordstrom's! ! !   I hope you are kidding me..

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY??

I AM DYING LAUGHING................

Also.... Matt N. is a good coach that would fit in at Cabrini.   

[WolfPAC]

The McTamneys are also missed at Cabrini.

Heatlee..... you are to nice to MAChucka season ! !



Hey Jon,

Think Lincoln will play Alvernia this year?   

[Jon]

The only place for a Vern/Lincoln match-up will be the NCAA Tournament...other than that we'll have to play a little six degrees of separation with the two schedules.

Alvernia faced Rutgers-Camden in the season opener and Lincoln could face Rutgers-Camden in the Championship Game of the Cyrus D. Jones Invitational, or Alvernia will face F&M on Dec. 19 and Lincoln could face F&M in the Championship Game of the Diplomats' Rotary Tournament in early January.

[WolfPAC]

Thx Jon.


Go Crusaders!

[D3fan14]

"Nordstrom's! ! !   I hope you are kidding me..:"

Wolfpac - A man's job is different from his profession. What he does to provide for his family doesn't measure how much class he has.

You disgust me.

[allstar scout]

The price of success is hard work, dedication to the job at hand, and the determination that whether we win or lose, we have applied the best of ourselves to the task at hand.~ Vince Lombardi

[WolfPAC]

"Nordstrom's! ! !   I hope you are kidding me..:"

Wolfpac - A man's job is different from his profession. What he does to provide for his family doesn't measure how much class he has.

You disgust me.

If you are taking things personally,  you are correct! !
Although, if you live in Radnor you probably do not have to work anyway. Chill out unless your name is Machucka.
Now you know how if feels to see how Cabrini's basketball program made me disgusted  when I actually cared.  I could care less now though.

If he is a man these words wouldn't bother him anyway... what about the players he has offended with his style.  He won't last too long anyhow. How embarrassing for a school that was the crown jewel of the PAC!

The men's program is just a laughing stock in comparison to what it used to be....  hard to believe how fast the ship sunk.

[WolfPAC]

A MAN HAS TO DO WHAT HE HAS to DO......

IF IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH  THERE IS THE DOOR..  SOME PEOPLE GOT IT AND SOME PEOPLE ONLY THINK THEY GOT IT in terms of coaching.

If the man feeds his family with his other job no matter what it is and it does not degrade him internally, then all the power to you and him.

The men I know make a living off of their professions though because they are good at what they do.... money follows one when one is great.

Seriously... a man must do what he must to pay the bills even if he does not like his job if he is not good at his profession.

Don't take things personally.....   slow down and you will live longer as well

Take it easy baby! !     I am gonna have some fun tonight!

Hope you are too d3fan14...

Jon understands.