MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Coach C]

WT et al -

The NCAA forbids athletics staff from having any influence on financial aid decisions for students, but has never weighed in on coaches as admissions officers.  It's pretty common.

I can think of 2 SID/coach combinations.  It's tough but doable.

As for coach and admissions honcho, nah, too much responsibility on both sides of the ledger.

I am worreid for this league.  I think it is sliding backwards due to instutional neglect.  I can see it dusappearing in the next round of conferecen consolidations.

C

[chizwiz]

chairman,

I think the SID/coach thing is doable.  Especially if it happens to be at EU where there is very little to do and not much is expected.

Warren,

Good point.  I really don't know what the ultimate say of NCAA is on this.  I would imagine that there is a definite warning.  I do know that what chairman said about "hands off" on decision-making regarding admittances is important.  There is a serious chance for recruiting violations if there is limited accountability within the administration.

[chizwiz]

WolfPac,

May your head heal quickly or the liquor dull the pain.  Either way, you should be all right.  Wow, a 14-footer 2x8?  That sounds like about 40-50 pounds of pain!

[PacMan20]

Question

If the league continues to struggle, is it a possibility that the PAC can lose its automatic bid for the tournament.  If so what has to happen for this to occur.  Hopefully it doesnt get to this point, but we have to start to be realistic. 

[Pat Coleman]

An automatic bid is afforded any conference with seven or more teams. Quality of conference is not a factor.

[chairman]

Don't despair PAC MAN. As Pat said the AQ goes to any conference with more than 7 teams, but you are overstating the struggles of the league. While PAC teams are down against non-conference competition this year, many of those games (Misericordia's last three for instance) that have been very tight. Every league goes through ebbs and flows, and while there is no National champion lurking in the PAC this year, there is a good talent pool in the PAC. The PAC champion will in all likelihood have between one and three losses in the league, and they will not by a long shot be the weakest team in the field.

Coach C- Are the SID coach combinations coaching men's basketball? Where? Wesley's assistant coach is also the SID. There are three SID/Coaches in the PAC one coaches Golf and the other two are women's soccer coaches. I know Messiah's SID is also a Women's soccer coach, but I don't know of any schools where the SID would have the length of season and the recruiting schedule of a men's basketball coach.

Are there any roster changes for second semester?

[Coach C]

Chairman -

One of the SIDs coaches men's hoops and one coaches women's.  Both are out of region.

As for the PAC, I would disagree that the talent pool is 'good.'  I would say that it is below average and that it has declined steadily since 2002.

The PAC champ may not be the weakest team int he field, but withthe seletioan criteria being what they are, that is VERY faint praise indeed!

C

[chairman]

Coach C- are they good teams? I'm really curious to know what schools these are. You can message me if you don't want to put it out there. I won't dispute that the talent level is less than it was in the salad days of 2002. Cabrini isway off where they were, Alvernia has a nice team this year, but they are not close to where they were. There is no Willie Chandler (although Misericordia is now more than 2 deep), but I will grant that the talent level is less.

My point to PACMAN is that while it may feel like the PAC is down, it is not a reason to believe that it is down for good or that it is somehow undeserving of an NCAA berth.

[chairman]

Chiz...

Negative eight? Is that a record?

[WolfPAC]

WolfPac,

May your head heal quickly or the liquor dull the pain.  Either way, you should be all right.  Wow, a 14-footer 2x8?  That sounds like about 40-50 pounds of pain!

Not drunk yet!  My eye is killing me and I have a nasty headache but I am cognizant.    Seriously!   Thank you for your concern.   The corner of the board naturally hit me right in the temple next to my eye brow and it bled however I was out cold for about 6 seconds only to find the blood pouring into my palms.  I thought I got hit by my wife with a baseball bat ! ! !

[WolfPAC]

WT et al -

The NCAA forbids athletics staff from having any influence on financial aid decisions for students, but has never weighed in on coaches as admissions officers.  It's pretty common.

I can think of 2 SID/coach combinations.  It's tough but doable.

As for coach and admissions honcho, nah, too much responsibility on both sides of the ledger.

I am worreid for this league.  I think it is sliding backwards due to instutional neglect.  I can see it dusappearing in the next round of conferecen consolidations.

C

If this disturbing trend continues C.  what do you see happening?  Realistically.    Glorified intramurals or the better PAC teams joining other conferences?   How can lax be successful and basketball not at Cabrini.

What will happen to the region?  Is the PAC only a temporary thing?

Seems funny that without Dzik things seemed to slide more quickly ! ! !
Not just at Cabrini.....

[WolfPAC]

Sorry I could not resist....

Dzik had balls!  Guess thats why is where is now though standing up to that nasty ole  "institutional neglect"  which benefitted colleges well beyond the boundaries beyond Cabrini...  seem like the PAC is powerless in a sense now.  Quality is now sliding and athletes are looking else where it seems.

In all honesty,,,,, what is the drawing card for the PAC if a talented person has a wide range of choices?   Cabrini is Ivy league tuition and there is not a dominant basketball program unless you want to think Alvernia is that good.  Future seems dim unless there is a great coach who takes a  PAC team to the Sweet 16 at minimum!

[lefty2]

I think the SID/coach thing is doable.  Especially if it happens to be at EU where there is very little to do and not much is expected.

Mr. Wiz,

Ouch, I hope the Eastern SID doesn't frequent this board.

Speaking of SID's it's funny how a discussion about how to offset "institutional neglect" has hit on a topic that has been a problem within the PAC for years - part-time SID's. 

Many schools have employed the philosophy that anybody can be an SID: a coach, a trainer, etc.

While it doesn't take a rocket scientist to be an SID, it is a full-time job - and then some.

Having an SID/anything doesn't do either position justice.

While the PAC has come a long way in the area of SID's, too many PAC schools have dragged their feet over the years when it comes to committing to the position.

Just one SID's opinion.

[Coach K]

Hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday!

As far as the PAC goes, I believe Neumann, Alvernia, Miseri and GMC are as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region.

The other schools have to make a step up, especially Marywood and Cabrini, now that you have Wesley and Arcadia leaving the conference.

The PAC in general does need to look internally to see what it can do to grow as a conference. I don't think the league will disband any time soon, but I think the other schools in the conference need to look at Alvernia, Eastern, and Miseri as models for how to run a program in all sports! Eastern girls vball, Alvernia bball and field hockey, baseball, Miseri seems consistant in everything, they seem to be the schools that are doing it the right way. Cabrini was once considered in this class until the mess with Dzik started up.

A lot of these schools are investing long term. Alvernia (being a graduate, I know this) has built a TON of buildings in the past 10 years and made improvements in their athletic programs, but they don't have a whole lot in terms of a cash cushion endowment. They will eventually get there, but they had to take the step back financially in order to progress forward, attract more students, and eventually get them as part of their alumni base.

I know I am just rambling, but that is my take on things.

[chizwiz]

Coach C,

I actually think the talent pool is good, but young.  I also feel that the PAC coaching, as a whole, is not as strong as other regional conferences.  I think this plays a big role in how the PAC fares against non-conf opponents.

Just my opinion.

I also think the part-time thing hurts the PAC.  To be more specific, I like the coaches in the PAC, as a whole, but I think those who are not full-time (most of them), are not able to be their best because they have to devote a lot of time and energy to their other professional pursuits.