MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

I don't think he's said anything that deserves that kind of response, chiz.

[WolfPAC]

WolfPAC,

You earlier asked why PAC schools "continue to play [Lincoln]" if Lincoln is so horrible in its conduct.  A quick survey shows no PAC school has scheduled Lincoln since the 05-06 season when your Cavs hosted the Lions.  This conversation has stemmed from NCAA Championship games where teams have no say in who is scheduled.

Since I've opened my mouth, I'll post some of my opinions...there's a little too much anger from the Lions on the floor.  Case in point from the first round...Alvernia senior Ryan Finger extended a hand to help a Lincoln player off the court after the two collided going after the ball.  The Lincoln player wanted to part in the assistance, and instead chose to roll over the other direction to avoid the hand.  That in and of itself isn't enough to warrant mention, but when an official comes over to explain Finger's intent and the Lincoln player makes an effort to turn his head away from and pay no attention to the official that's when I take exception.  The world's not out to get you, it's just an opponent trying to act in a sporting manner.

Unfortunately I was not able to stay in D.C. for Saturday's game, but according to what I've heard, the way the Lions handled the last few possessions of the game does nothing to improve the image.  I'm not going to comment to the character of the entire institution based on the action of a small percentage of its students, in this case, student-athletes.  I don't think it's fair to the history of the school, but I do think the current players could stand a refresher on the concept of "representing the institution."

Sludge, welcome to the PAC Chat.  Here's what I think you can expect from the Middle-Atlantic representative in your sectional.  The game isn't over until you hit 00:00.  Ask any of the opponents listed under "20-plus point comeback" in the Lincoln postseason media guide, but also check with the defending national champion, which I believe overcame a late, sizeable deficit in last-year's one-point win over Lincoln.  The Lions will shoot early in the clock at any point in the game from any place on the floor.  I would venture to say the concept of "time and score" isn't throughly studied at Lincoln.  They have a style and it's played for 40 minutes.

Offensively Lincoln has as many if not more athletes than any other team in the tournament (that statement is largely opinion since I haven't seen all teams in the tournament).  The guards are strong, quick, and physical.  If they shoot a decent percentage they'll be tough to beat.  They can win the game without winning the turnover battle.  I would venture to say that on any other team the offense would run through Byard, a more than capable post player, but he and Dean seem content to track down long range missfires and score second-chance points.

Looks like a good weekend to be in the Va. Beach area.  All three games should be high-level Division III contests.

Jon,

Is this code of conduct on the floor out of excitement, ignorance, emotions, or poor sportsmanship?

Your point is well-taken about PAC schools not scheduling the team.  Is this because of their style of play or an automatic lose to a schedule? 

[WolfPAC]

Also not dwelling on the past,  but Cabrini used to play LU many times in the past and beat them out in the sticks or at Cabrini.

I know times have changed in 25 years, but somehow they were beatable with the big men the Cavs had back then. 

This seems to tell me how the PAC is down a bit in terms of basketball big men who can take it to people.  The game seems to have smaller athletes who are much quicker these days.  Back in 80's the guys were much bigger for Cabrini and could handle those guys banging erratically for rebounds.

Has the game or type of player changed that much due to D3 status and compliances or is it more organized with a different kind of profile for the typical pac player?

If you look at the NBA I don't see those huge dominating SKILLED centers anymore either.   Where do they all go these days?

On the other hand within the PAC a team like the Vern who plays team ball the way the game is supposed to be played does very well in the PAC but when they face a team of players like LU which is out of character for the PAC a lose is the result.   Needless to say,  why and how then does the NCAA allow this situation to happen?   Is the pac the weakest conference even if the Vern is a team capable of going far into the tournament and ignored so the NCAA just throws LU at us or what?

Why wouldn't a ranked team draw LU?   Seems like the length of NCAA affiliation could have pull?

Or... is it just the way the region is set up to work?  I think LU is a bit intimidating to play with their style but is that part of their game plan if they only run around and throw bombs? 

Seems something is not right.

 

[njlincolnlion]

I don't think he's said anything that deserves that kind of response, chiz.

Pat:

I realize some posts are not worth the effort when it comes to chizwiz.

[njlincolnlion]

Jon:

I appreciate your post, and good luck to the Crusaders in the MAC (based on d3hoops) main page announcement.

I don't expect many Mid-Atlantic fans to root for Lincoln in the sweet sixteen (the sole remaining Mid-Atlantic team left in the tournament), but fair and balanced comments from posters are great.

[balls a dunkin]

njlincolnlion,
  you have my support.  GO LIONS.

I have a problem with the leadership of a program that obscenely runs up the score early in the year, apologizes for it, and then fails to realize the necessity of being on your best behavior under the spotlight. Of course, the coach was the one who let Sammie Wylie make 23 three-pointers in a 200 point win, so why would they listen to little things like not rubbing salt in the wound by dunking on opponents at the conclusion of already decided contests. If you want to be seen as being high class, you have got to be high class.

Then why have records.  Records are made to broken.  I would would have done the same thing as a coach.  With that being said, don't bash the players or coach, bash that damn ball that kept finding the bottom of the net.

[sludge]

Jon, thanks for the description of Lincoln's style.  Matt, thanks for the update on the Catholic game.

It's sure that Guilford, Virginia Wesleyan and Mississippi College will be very intimidated by Lincoln's presence in the round of 16, but they'll try to show and and bring their best games anyway!   

[MR. PAC]

If Alvernia keeps getting better and better each year. They will dominate in the Mac.

[Jon]

It's official sports fans.  Alvernia President Tom Flynn announced today that Alvernia has officially accepted the MAC's invitation for full-time membership.

Visit the Alvernia website for complete information.

[cold_case]

If Alvernia keeps getting better and better each year. They will dominate in the Mac.

Which arm do you take it in?

[WolfPAC]

For those of you who think the PAC is not down........

Alvernia then who?

The bottom of the barrell will be left and the championship will be a tournament of what?

Who is filling in for the Vern in the PAC?   AC/DEsalles is gone, Vern is gone,
Misery may be gone so who is coming in or who is going to be left?

[njlincolnlion]

njlincolnlion,
  you have my support.  GO LIONS.

I have a problem with the leadership of a program that obscenely runs up the score early in the year, apologizes for it, and then fails to realize the necessity of being on your best behavior under the spotlight. Of course, the coach was the one who let Sammie Wylie make 23 three-pointers in a 200 point win, so why would they listen to little things like not rubbing salt in the wound by dunking on opponents at the conclusion of already decided contests. If you want to be seen as being high class, you have got to be high class.

Then why have records.  Records are made to broken.  I would would have done the same thing as a coach.  With that being said, don't bash the players or coach, bash that damn ball that kept finding the bottom of the net.

balls:

Thanks for your support.

[njlincolnlion]

WolfPAC:

How many teams have left the PAC so far?

[chairman]

Balls- Read the whole quote.

There is a right way and a wrong way. As important as winning is, there are more important things than college basketball. If Lincoln's administration and alums are comfortable with the nonsense at the end of the Catholic game, then maybe I am giving Lincoln too much credit.

Check the box score to see how many shots Wylie took to get his 21 threes. I have no problem with Wylie shooting as much as he wants when the game is within 20, but once the lead creeps up over 100 it is probably best to let the other guys play.

[WolfPAC]

WolfPAC:

How many teams have left the PAC so far?

Well,  Allentown (AC), now Alvernia, Arcadia?, Misericordia? Wesley

But  the Vern is a big loss as was Allentown.  Seems like the PAC is going nowhere as Pat Coleman implied.

Where is the realignement taking the PAC?  Wow is GMC next or will Immac be the new dynasty in the PAC?