MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[WolfPAC]

Chiz,

Get over your OWN self, please. Warren is right. You overreacted to a poster who is pretty darn classy and knows where his institution's place is in the D-III world.

Soon to be in the d2 world . . .

Anyway, still wondering what anybody thinks about who wins the PAC next year.

Cabrini College Cavaliers will beat Immaculata for the title.  The new full-time coach is going to right the ship of backstabbers.

[WolfPAC]

How does everyone feel about the job of our current PAC commissioner?
Are things being handled properly for growth or are things just shoved in the corner?

Could the commish do anything that would help the conference?

[Ralph Turner]

How does everyone feel about the job of our current PAC commissioner?
Are things being handled properly for growth or are things just shoved in the corner?

Could the commish do anything that would help the conference?

WolfPAC, could you give us your version of a SWOT (Strengths/Weaknesses/Opportunities/Threats) analysis of the PAC?

Strengths

Weaknesses

Opportunities

Threats

[MR. PAC]

Chiz,
Alvernia will win the pac next year.

[WolfPAC]

How does everyone feel about the job of our current PAC commissioner?
Are things being handled properly for growth or are things just shoved in the corner?

Could the commish do anything that would help the conference?

WolfPAC, could you give us your version of a SWOT (Strengths/Weaknesses/Opportunities/Threats) analysis of the PAC?

Strengths

Weaknesses

Opportunities

Threats

I would love to do that but I don't get paid for doing an indepth analysis.
Thats what the commissioner should be doing for her job as a quarterly task.

If one knows their job well enough it is obvious what the SWOT's are in this conference and the perilous path it is heading towards.  It is obvious the PAC is not growing the way it needs to at this point and the realignment is making things worse in all sports for these institutions.

Facility upgrades, lack of funds, poor realignment, winners leaving, good coaches resigning, recruitment resources, institutions who are perennial losers in the conference for the wrong reasons, lack of publicity, lack of national talent,  it is easy to figure out.

Why would anyone stay?  Oh the old argument that these institutions are young and will mature and grow usually works but the area is saturated with D1 schools and these ailing institutions.  Lack of a spokesman or a leader to make it work?

[WolfPAC]

On the other hand,  Immaculata is on the rise and was a positive thing for the PAC.... Alvernia will be leaving so I can't count them.

[Ralph Turner]

WolfPAC, I think you did a very good job with your first attempt to give objective criteria by which you can discuss the problems.

I just hate to see complaining without some attempts to solve the problems.  Your proposing solutions is constructive.

What options do these schools have for intercollegiate athletics and are your institution's visions and missions in that area aligned with the current configuration of the PAC?

There is a lot of shuffling going on and your president might see an improvement for your institution in this re-alignment.

Thanks.  (For my clarification, which PAC team(s) do you follow most carefully?)

[WolfPAC]

WolfPAC, I think you did a very good job with your first attempt to give objective criteria by which you can discuss the problems.

I just hate to see complaining without some attempts to solve the problems.  Your proposing solutions is constructive.

What options do these schools have for intercollegiate athletics and are your institution's visions and missions in that area aligned with the current configuration of the PAC?

There is a lot of shuffling going on and your president might see an improvement for your institution in this re-alignment.

Thanks.  (For my clarification, which PAC team(s) do you follow most carefully?)

In terms of benefits with the realignment, if it translates into a better record among a dilluted PAC conference what good is winng the PAC amongst a group of losers?

In the institution I used to care so much about before the admn destroyed the most winningest then the 3rd most winningest basketball program in D3 history, the president and AD claim a legendary coach did not have the team aligned with the mission of the school.  "Thugs and hoodlums the new coach said the old coach recruited.  However if you check GPA and graduation rates, one would find out otherwise and uncover the power struggle between a legendary coach who virtually created the conference in 1992 and was ousted due to an ego.

Funny how the demise of one institution's program or the loss of a legendary coach can impact a conference.   Almost seems as if the whole conference benefited from a winning more games individually.  Respectfully I must disagree with those who claim I dwell in the past that the coach who was hacked was a leader and spokesman for the conference.  He taught alot of people alot of things and had pull in the NCAA in Indiana.  Now the realignment of the conference will find a dilluted group of schools without an automatic bid at the end of the season most likely.  The other sports will suffer as well because of this.  I don't understand why admn and AD's don't get enough pressure from the PAC to conform to a more serious athletic committment for both students and athletes.  Some of the schools lose every year and some only have women.  Hard to be a formidable conference with constant polarization.  With these top schools leaving it will be worse!

Perhaps a central location for games played would create some rivals with teams that have high school gyms with metal chairs and perhaps perennial less than serious schools can be weeded out for a new alignment. 

Dialogue among presidents and the Pac must happen or else the MAC and Landmark will get a couple more of the PACs top teams soon enough.

The Pac is becoming a joke which is truly ashame for the student athletes men and women who battle in more ways than one to survive academically, financially, and athletically in the D3 PAC environment.  The missions of the schools could be interpreted in almost anyway by admn who will suit themselves.  Incongruence in missions will never be gone.
Hope it is not too late.

[MR. PAC]

After the news that the vern was going to the MAC. I feel that it is a good move. Since Miller took over he and his staff have had some great recruiting classes.

[WolfPAC]

Great for Alvernia not so great for the PAC.

Alvernia was the cream of the crop.

[Ralph Turner]

...

Funny how the demise of one institution's program or the loss of a legendary coach can impact a conference. 

 
Yes, the "Death Penalty" at Southern Methodist University led to the dismantling of the old Southwest Conference.  Maybe that is why D1 has not given another such penalty despite programs such as Alabama.

Now the realignment of the conference will find a dilluted group of schools without an automatic bid at the end of the season most likely.  The other sports will suffer as well because of this.  I don't understand why admn and AD's don't get enough pressure from the PAC to conform to a more serious athletic committment for both students and athletes.  Some of the schools lose every year and some only have women.  Hard to be a formidable conference with constant polarization.  With these top schools leaving it will be worse!

Perhaps a central location for games played would create some rivals with teams that have high school gyms with metal chairs and perhaps perennial less than serious schools can be weeded out for a new alignment. 

Dialogue among presidents and the Pac must happen or else the MAC and Landmark will get a couple more of the PACs top teams soon enough.

I absolutely agree.  The Penn AC is perilously close to losing their AQ's, and there are too few options to add schools in the area, unless they raid the NEAC.  Everyone else seems to be moving away from the Penn AC.

The Pac is becoming a joke which is truly a shame for the student athletes men and women who battle in more ways than one to survive academically, financially, and athletically in the D3 PAC environment.  The missions of the schools could be interpreted in almost anyway by admn who will suit themselves.  Incongruence in missions will never be gone.
Hope it is not too late.

The MAC's (Freedom and Commonwealth) may try to return to the their full complement of 8 teams in each and there are few other options.  (I have them at 8 and 7.  Corrections please.)

Thanks for the response.

[lefty2]

Misericordia has accepted an invitation to join the MAC beginning with the 2008-09 school year.

http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/

[chairman]

The big questions for the PAC are only starting to unfold. With the loss of Misericordia and Alvernia, the league will have to find at least one new school, but there have to be more PAC schools eyeing other options. The commisioner needs to instill confidence in the presidents that she can effectively brand the league and keep the AQ's in all the sports.
My impression is that her ability to spin and sell a vision over the next ten to twelve days will be the most critical event in the short history of the league. Time will tell.

[Ralph Turner]

I don't know the mission/vision or rivalries or relative geography.  Is there a possible PennAC member who might go to the Commonwealth?

Who is close?

[WolfPAC]

The big questions for the PAC are only starting to unfold. With the loss of Misericordia and Alvernia, the league will have to find at least one new school, but there have to be more PAC schools eyeing other options. The commisioner needs to instill confidence in the presidents that she can effectively brand the league and keep the AQ's in all the sports.
My impression is that her ability to spin and sell a vision over the next ten to twelve days will be the most critical event in the short history of the league. Time will tell.

Hope someone reacts or takes initiative to correct what is happening before what I think will happen.

There was a legendary coach once in the PAC who I chatted with about this scenario.

The implications could spell trouble for all if let go and the conference will turn into a bunch of intramural sports sadly enough.  The presidents of institutional neglect are the obstacles with or without their own missions.

Please if someone out there has the power or say in the matter try to tell someone who can come up with a plan to preserve some teams or attract some quality to the PAC.