MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Warren Thompson]

It would not surprise me at all to see at least one more [MAC member] move to the Landmark.

Just out of curiosity, who?

[lefty2]

Had Susquehanna, Juniata, Scranton and the like stayed in, Alvernia might have felt a little out of place with the top end of the conference.......

If those schools stay in the MAC, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

[lefty2]

Being from Scranton, the Miseri rumors have been flying for years.  Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to be invited.

Correct, the "Miseri"cordia rumors to the MAC started 17 years ago when the school announced its plans to seek D-III status.

[chairman]

That is true... my point was more in the direction of the MAC having a slightly less exclusive bent to it now that those schools have left.

No way the MAC entertains the thought of a Misericordia or Alvernia without the exodus.

Ralph, the most likely candidate would be Etown, but there might be another that would race to try to move into a more impressive academic league.

With Arcadia being pushed into the commonwealth, the Men's soccer conference becomes pretty impressive (too bad for LVC, Widener, and Albright)

[gamefan]

Hoops:

I understand maybe noone was asking Marywood, my point was a change for them would have saved them travel.

The Prez needs to do some damage control, not a word on the PAC website about what the plan is!

Wolf:

Do you think they would let one of the Dzik crew back? After all of the bad feelings from before.

[WolfPAC]

Hoops:

I understand maybe noone was asking Marywood, my point was a change for them would have saved them travel.

The Prez needs to do some damage control, not a word on the PAC website about what the plan is!

Wolf:

Do you think they would let one of the Dzik crew back? After all of the bad feelings from before.

Gamefan:

Not a question of letting a Dzik crew back but whether or not the Dzik crew would accept with the current president.

When she is gone things will change for the better.  Power struggles are the worst situations for the students.  The school is in trouble athletically.

[WolfPAC]

Game:

Besides that the alumni would not come back until she is gone either.

[gamefan]

Does everyone agree the silence from the PAC prez is deafening?

What other schools do you think might be a good fit for the PAC so we can tell the Prez in her palacial office at Neumann!

Are you kidding me 4 defections and one unwanted addition who plays in a CYO gym like Neumanns! I guess she has something more important to do like getting her hair or nails done!

Wolf:

The house that Dzik built has been condemmed and the demolition has begun!

[Ralph Turner]

Thank you, Chairman.  I appreciate your impression of what is happening in that part of the country.

I agree that the shuffling will continue and for the reasons that you mention.

[lefty2]

Does everyone agree the silence from the PAC prez is deafening?...... I guess she has something more important to do like getting her hair or nails done!

Gamefan,

What would you like the PAC to say?  And to who(m)?

I don't think anyone is to blame for the musical chairs game that the PAC and many other conferences find themselves in.

Your hair and nails comment is inappropriate as well.

[WolfPAC]

Does everyone agree the silence from the PAC prez is deafening?

What other schools do you think might be a good fit for the PAC so we can tell the Prez in her palacial office at Neumann!

Are you kidding me 4 defections and one unwanted addition who plays in a CYO gym like Neumanns! I guess she has something more important to do like getting her hair or nails done!

Wolf:

The house that Dzik built has been condemmed and the demolition has begun!

The whole conference is reminding me of intramurals.   With no spokesman what do you expect??

Only goes to show the master plan of the admns was to take the serious schools that want to grow and move on and let them exit.  Dzik must have been an obstacle for the missions or agendas they had schemed up.  The Vern gone.

[WolfPAC]

These schools may grow academically or rather the academic marketing and promotions for facilitating business and enrollment budgets will grow.

Academically speaking the schools may be holding their ground but athletically they are condemned.  If a school is weak academically but is strong in athletics, the school must seek out another conference it seems.

The small private institutions who only want to grow in quality not quantity will be left in the PAC.  The last hope is Immac, GMC or Eu but eventually they will change as well when they can grow.  Seems recruiting is a problem with all the saturation in the area.  The admn just goes with the flow as long as they are in compliance with D3 they can market.  Sad but true.

Seems as if the PAC is just a testing ground or stepping stone without traditional values like the other conferences.  The argument that the conference will mature will not hold if the schools move around and less than competitive schools enter.   Recruiting is behind.
We need knowledgable people to run the conference and take it up another notch if possible.   I admit excuse my ignorance if the effort is already in place to do this and is just not working.  Seems the writing has been on the wall and no one took initiative though.

[WolfPAC]

Just a thought.  If the PAC area has too many schools, the fact that some are leaving and going to a less saturated geographic area up state may help the PAC recruit local athletes who want to stay here.

If the PAC has a strategic plan to lessen the number of schools and bring in schools to the PAC who could not get in before, even though the plan is executed at the expense of the PAC ,  How can the conference be taken seriously then at playoff time?

[gamefan]

Lefty:



Heres the point:

The comment was not inappropriate, sorry you can't handle a light comment!   My point was to say a proactive president or leader would have taken steps to be a leader and have a plan communicated to members of the PAC. A proactive leader would have discussed the departure with the remaining PAC schools and made an announcement prior to it becoming public that the schools were thinking about leaving and why! Not stand by and say nothing to the PAC followers who now think the conference is in trouble and may fold.

In other words bad managment and bad marketing can hurt a conference and this type of sticking your head in the sand and not being proactive has done exactly that!

Again sorry you take offense but get over it, and good luck in the MAC!

[lefty2]

I'm not offended by it, but I'm not a woman.

In my opinion, the "hair and nails" comment was sexist.

With the constant re-shuffling, the PAC should be concerned.  So should every other conference.

But, the commissioner isn't/wasn't responsible for Misericordia making a change.

She also wasn't going to convince us to stay - not for lack of trying.

I'm fairly certain the PAC will have a plan.  But, I doubt it will be discussed in a public forum.