MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[heatlee]

Better yet, what happens to the Battle for Eagle Road?

[WolfPAC]

For those of you who thought I was a disgruntled Cabrini fan for the past 2 years downing the PAC as a conference that was slipping, not trying to be proving myself right but one now must admit the writing was on the wall since Dzik left.

The conference is turning into a joke for sure.

Does anyone see what I mean now?      Even a team like Cabrini who dominates the PAC in lax cannot go further than a round or 2 in the NCAA's due to the limits of the Pac.

OK.... who is coming in or is this now an intramural conference as I implied years ago ? ? ?   Will Cabrini leave as well ? ? ?   What do all those flags mean in the Dixon center if the conference falls apart ??

Forgive me for saying this but if you are recruiting athletes, why would one chose a PAC school for athletics now.

[chizwiz]

heatlee,

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Battle for Eagle Rd will not stop in the next few years.  Both campuses love it (at least I know EU's campus loves it).  It would be tough for the head coach to get administration to agree that dropping Cabrini would be a good idea.  Actually, I think it may be a great 2-game set each year.

[chairman]

I would be very surprised if EU-Cabrini games remain as a two game set. It will actually be easier to build the rivalry into something good if it turns into a winner takes all bragging rights game as  opposed to a home and home every year.
Interesting thing about the rivalry is that the only sport where conference championship revolved around the Eagle Road Rivalry is WLAX, which has been an EU Cabrini PAC Final for like eight years or so.
I would be very surprised if there are any 2008-9 schedules that don't include EU Cabrini in either sport.

[heatlee]

Just a little math for the people in charge of the ONCE strong PAC.  Alvernia + Arcadia + Eastern + Misercordia + Wesley > Centenary + College of Notre Dame + Keysone.

Its not even close.

[MR. PAC]

PAC IS DONE!

[WolfPAC]

Seems like since Dzik left things went to hell all over.

I know its a dead horse but............. one must admit the quality of the PAC has changed as a result.

So if another school leaves the PAC, what value does the PAC have ?

Rosemont vs IMMAC.    Nuemann vs Cabrini,    Baptist Bible vs Centenary

Who is taking steps to preserve what is left of the PAC before there is a bigger exodus?   Kind of puts things into perspective.   How can the PAC become stronger after this realignment?  Way to go commissioners.

[Pat Coleman]

The MAC has its 16 again so I doubt it will be raiding more schools from the PnAC.

[Ralph Turner]

Seems like since Dzik left things went to hell all over.

I know its a dead horse but............. one must admit the quality of the PAC has changed as a result.

So if another school leaves the PAC, what value does the PAC have ?

Rosemont vs IMMAC.    Neumann vs Cabrini,    Baptist Bible vs Centenary

Who is taking steps to preserve what is left of the PAC before there is a bigger exodus?   Kind of puts things into perspective.   How can the PAC become stronger after this realignment?  Way to go commissioners.

Respectfully, I don't think that Coach Dzik stops these dominoes from falling when Susquehanna, Moravian and Juniata decide to leave the MAC Commonwealth in Oct 2005.

Those college presidents were talking "Mission and Vision".

Please remember this discussion from March.  The question for Coach Dzik at that point becomes whether to take advantage of the disarray and jump to improve the "Mission and Vision" of Cabrini.

I do not believe that he holds the PnAC together during this time.  The MAC is where they want to be again at 16 as Pat pointed out.

[Ralph Turner]

Just a little math for the people in charge of the ONCE strong PAC.  Alvernia + Arcadia + Eastern + Misericordia + Wesley > Centenary + College of Notre Dame + Keystone.

Its not even close.

As for the "ONCE strong PAC", we had already determined that it was behind the Centennial and both MAC Freedom and Commonwealth and only ahead of the NEAC.

Now the Landmark has jumped in as a close #2.  I also think that the Freedom and the Commonwealth may not be a "monolithic" as previously considered at the end of the last decade.

I think that the case must be made that aggressive leadership by Cabrini would have been defined as leading Cabrini out of the PnAC.

[WolfPAC]

Just a little math for the people in charge of the ONCE strong PAC.  Alvernia + Arcadia + Eastern + Misericordia + Wesley > Centenary + College of Notre Dame + Keystone.

Its not even close.

As for the "ONCE strong PAC", we had already determined that it was behind the Centennial and both MAC Freedom and Commonwealth and only ahead of the NEAC.

Now the Landmark has jumped in as a close #2.  I also think that the Freedom and the Commonwealth may not be a "monolithic" as previously considered at the end of the last decade.

I think that the case must be made that aggressive leadership by Cabrini would have been defined as leading Cabrini out of the PnAC.

Well said ! !

I would call the less than "agressive leadership at Cabrini" a fine example of institutional neglect by an administration with a mission going elsewhere than growing its athletics.  ('when comparing it to the passion, targets, and goals of the Dzik era) sad times at Cabrini.

The positive thing would be if the MAC and PAC built some nice rivalries due to their past affliations.  EU/Cabrini,

Why wouldn't Cabrini have seen the writing on the wall and took action to move as well? Poor leadership or ignorance ?

[Ralph Turner]

WolfPAC, what percentage of students at Cabrini came as athletes?

[WolfPAC]

Obviously it is a D3 school so there are not athletic scholarships involved.

The mission is not athletically based.   The question would then have to be what percentage of students are athletes.   

I cannot honestly answer what percentage of students truly came to Cabrini to play a sport since I am not personally involved anymore in the recruiting.

The percentage in the basketball program alone has dropped I can assure you because of the coaching situation.  ON the otherhand, many women want to play for the coach at Cabrini and the moral is much more conducive to a winning program with recruitment percentages higher than mens.

I get your point..... but compared to the passion and hard work within a legacy created and destroyed by an administration the statistics and number of athletic students motivated to come to the college has been negatively affected.   With the help of a new coach and parents, changes in the administration may be the answer to build a program to dominate the PAC whatever it is worth now.

Just seems if one is directly or was directly involved in building a legendary program it is a heartbreaker to see the program torn to shreds.

I am moving on and will support the new coach if the administration supports the college athletes.   One must remember the past programs were not just about athletes at Cabrini but academics and FAMILY atmosphere.   This is not found now. 

[Spartanball]

Cabrini fans, get ready for a change in your basketball.

I can't tell you what a change Greg Herenda made in the program at Elgin Community College in Elgin, IL this past year. Forget for a moment that it is a J.C. with players that barely started on their high school teams. He turned two guys from average to All-Conference in eight months. These two players were unrecognizable in ONE year. He was never, ever out-coached in any game and I PROMISE you he won't for you either. Every minute he was at Elgin, you just knew he had a Div. 1 future. He should have gotten the Illinois State or the Northern Illinois job - he's THAT ready.

If you want a coach that can get the most out of his players, this guy can do it in a dignified way. Trust me, his Div. 1 experience on and off the court will put your program in the spotlight. His players will WANT to play for him.

Enjoy him while you have him. We did.

[chizwiz]

Cabrini fans, get ready for a change in your basketball.

I can't tell you what a change Greg Herenda made in the program at Elgin Community College in Elgin, IL this past year. Forget for a moment that it is a J.C. with players that barely started on their high school teams. He turned two guys from average to All-Conference in eight months. These two players were unrecognizable in ONE year. He was never, ever out-coached in any game and I PROMISE you he won't for you either. Every minute he was at Elgin, you just knew he had a Div. 1 future. He should have gotten the Illinois State or the Northern Illinois job - he's THAT ready.

If you want a coach that can get the most out of his players, this guy can do it in a dignified way. Trust me, his Div. 1 experience on and off the court will put your program in the spotlight. His players will WANT to play for him.

Enjoy him while you have him. We did.

Spartanball, that's nice and all about your new favorite coach for Cabrini, but what are you going to give us if you are wrong about all this?  My point is that I don't doubt he can coach at some level, and that he might be a great coach, but that every school is different and he still hasn't written a starting lineup yet for Cabrini.

Supposedly, the last guy at Cabrini had plenty of experience in the D1 level (right, Wake Forest?), but we all know how well he did.  BTW, anybody in the market for a great looking, tweed suit in beige?

Oh, this is just tongue-in-cheek.  I hope Herenda does good and isn't, uhh, horrendous.  Come on, I just had to.  We all know EU needs a great rivalry with Cabrini, even if it means we don't continue to have more fans show up at Cabrini when we play than they do.

EU knows better than some that a Juco coach can do well.  I don't agree with your implication (if you meant to) that Juco players tend to come from barely-starting positions in high school.  Maybe you didn't mean that, just that these two noted players were from that situation.  As you all may know, many, if not most, Juco players would prefer to be on scholarship somewhere, but didn't meet the Clearinghouse standards.

Additionally, just because a coach is a great coach, doesn't mean he is only a D1 coach.  Let's try to pretend that D3 coaches can be as good as D1 coaches, if not just to encourage those great D3 coaches to stay around awhile.

Best of luck, Cabrini!