MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

This post is to give credit to the Immaculata Boys Basketball team, who sometimes don't get the respect they deserve.

Awesome. How about the men's basketball team?

Boys and girls are in high school. College is men's and women's basketball.

Welcome, new posters.

[mailsy]

My first time to the PAC chat line. With much respect to the Macs.  They have a good team and good players and anybody who thinks they don't have a chance to win the PAC is either too much of a homer or they are dilussional.  However, as a Cavs alum, they had no chance on Saturday.  Upset was in the cards before the game even started.  Too much "karma" from the many great players that attended Cabrini at the game.  There was no way that the coach or those players were going to let that game get away from them.  Kudos to the coach and the players.  A great time had by all at the beef and beer AFTER the game!!

[WolfPAC]

Anyone out there have any information on a fundraiser or benefit for Larry Sugden???  

Ohara, Cabrini, alumni who is fighting hard ? ?

[WolfPAC]

My first time to the PAC chat line. With much respect to the Macs.  They have a good team and good players and anybody who thinks they don't have a chance to win the PAC is either too much of a homer or they are dilussional.  However, as a Cavs alum, they had no chance on Saturday.  Upset was in the cards before the game even started.  Too much "karma" from the many great players that attended Cabrini at the game.  There was no way that the coach or those players were going to let that game get away from them.  Kudos to the coach and the players.  A great time had by all at the beef and beer AFTER the game!!

Mailsy,  you hit the nail on the head.    "too much karma"

Looked like wtihout  that one gaurd I think IU was not at their best  The zone seemed to give them alot of trouble as well.

Hey Mighty Mac fans, at least you know you will make the playoffs, the Cavs are fighting hard which could spell trouble for those who take them lightly with their new coach.   Glad to hear some IU people commenting as well.  Enjoyed the day at the Dixon center.

[Jon]

Welcome to all the new posters...this could be a banner day for the PAC Chat Line.

I'm about to settle in for a rousing Cedar Crest / Alvernia match-up with some IU/GMC action on in the background sometime after halftime.

[chairman]

Where's Booker? Everyone is posting but him. Welcome to the board Immaculata folks. I didn't mean to speak ill of the Mighty Macs with my earlier comments, but rather to comment that their eight wins included four games against the bottom of the League (who you have to beat and  at home.) Their only two road wins in league on the year came at Cedar Crest and Rosemont... oops...I mean Marywood and Centenary. Those trips are difficult only in that they involve long bus rides. Crowds are benign and or non-existent and the teams are what they are.)

Eastern is struggling mightily at the half.

[chairman]

Wow. Props to the Mighty Macs on a massive comeback at GMC. That's a big hurdle for them. Not sure how on earth they could be down 25 at half, but they made came out in the second half and did the work.
Tough to say whether Neumann was really good tonight or if the Eagles were TERRIBLE. First half defense was non-existent and some of the most inexplicable turnovers-- I'm sure Neumann kids got credit for steals, but a lot of them were simply passes right to the wrong team. An Eastern rotation of Reels, Miller, Piotrowski, Myers, Decker, Manzo, Leegwater, and Wright played the second half. They were able to cut a 20+ point deficit down to the final margin of 10, but this game was lost in the first half.
3-7 in a barrel and pick four names out for the play-offs. This could come down to tie-breakers for position and possibly a spot. Will Marywood or Centenary get anyone? That could be a disaster for the team who takes that loss.
Jon, I missed the webcast tonight. How did you do on the Nielson ratings for the thriller over the Falcons?

[WolfPAC]

Nice comeback Macs!

What happened to Eastern Chiz?  Are the Knights that good?

Looked like the Griffins were tired and zapped. They had problems with the Mac defense in the second half.  Baron could not do anything but call timeouts.

[Jon]

Overnight ratings didn't move the needle.

An Eastern rotation of Reels, Miller, Piotrowski, Myers, Decker, Manzo, Leegwater, and Wright played the second half. They were able to cut a 20+ point deficit down to the final margin of 10, but this game was lost in the first half.

I think this one speaks to my earlier statement that no team works harder than the Macs.  They nearly went from a 20+ deficit to final margin of 10 as well, but in a much more impressive way.  For those of us with other affiliations, I suppose the hope is that our team will recognize what it takes to beat Immaculata and try to match that level of effort.  My guess is that a religious affiliation keeps the Macs from adopting Nolan Richardson's style specifically, so maybe Bruce Pearl's "Controlled Chaos" is a better fit.

[hIdeUmm]

UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!

Its hard to believe that a team like GMC can get out worked they way they did last night. But the MACS came out on fire. It had to be something with that side of the court.  In my opinion GMC DIDNT Lose that game the Macs Won that game by having more will to win. In a game like that i think the coaches can only motivate the team. Chadwin had to say something to kick those guys into gear in the locker room. I dont want to question a coach like Baron but i would love to hear what he had to say in the locker room. I aslo wonder what was going through the GMC players minds and hearts as the diminished.

Finklea-19 Jones-17 hard fought baskets in the land of the giants (9 from the line) Marston- 12 with 4 huge blocks. AND Hyman with 22 after basically sitting out two games... this is what i was saying is hard to beat. Lepone and Strinckland played the first half but i dont know why they didnt play in the second half?

Just a hard fought win.

Neumann on a roll is going to want a win to stay in the playoff hunt on thursday vs the Macs. But are the Macs too strong? Another great game to watch...

[cabrinibasketballmom]

Coach C,
My post did not suggest that any player is unhappy, however, it does address the behavior of Coaches and suggest that Booker was accurate in his analysis regarding Cabrini.  The truth is not always positive or pleasant.....

In the many years that my family has been involved in the world of sports, I have yet to experience a basketball coach who takes positive criticism or suggestions from players, or for that matter, parents, regarding any aspect of coaching or their personality, either before or after the season.  I have only met one Coach, a football coach, who took that approach to Coaching, and had an open door policy for players, parents and administration.  I guess that is why he was so successful at Oklahoma, and respected by most of his former players. In my opinion, you have to be a secure person in order to listen, without retaliation, and implement change at the suggestion of another.

You are right when you say that each kid responds to a different style of coaching; abuse doesn't work for everyone! However, a good Coach is very aware of that fact and makes the effort to take the time to learn what motivates and makes his individual players tick.  This should be done because each player has a different personality and set of skills, and if put together in the right order they can create a good TEAM.   For some reason Coaches do not seem to realize the affect they have on an individual player, or do they?  I understand that their is a great deal of pressure on Coaches to win, however, they should strive to create a positive, organized and disciplined environment, in order to get the best from their athletes. This creates a winning atmosphere. To me, it appears that some coaches are so busy feeding their own egos, and controlling everyone and everything, that learning about their players isn't an option.   

In my opinion, the teams that are successful/winners, appear to have a great deal of respect for their coach and play hard to win, not only for their team and school, but for their coach as well.  Just look at Immaculata, I think that is a good example of learning your players, and creating a successful program.  Their coaches have managed to accomplish putting together a winning team in just 3 years! 

As for Cabrini, my hope is that what we saw on Saturday, is now the norm!

[imma c u lata]

Jon you hit the nail on its head when you said the MAC's are the hardest working team in the confrence. I think the effort is  led by the the hardest working player in the confrence Rob Jones. Last night in the second half against GMC he was a monster on the boards and got every loose ball. The balance on this team seems to show every game, everyone knows there role and no one seems to ever do something thats not in there game. Last night was a statement for the MAC's, it let the whole confrence know that they better be able to finish games and play right down to the buzzer.

[WolfPAC]

Coach C,
My post did not suggest that any player is unhappy, however, it does address the behavior of Coaches and suggest that Booker was accurate in his analysis regarding Cabrini.  The truth is not always positive or pleasant.....

In the many years that my family has been involved in the world of sports, I have yet to experience a basketball coach who takes positive criticism or suggestions from players, or for that matter, parents, regarding any aspect of coaching or their personality, either before or after the season.  I have only met one Coach, a football coach, who took that approach to Coaching, and had an open door policy for players, parents and administration.  I guess that is why he was so successful at Oklahoma, and respected by most of his former players. In my opinion, you have to be a secure person in order to listen, without retaliation, and implement change at the suggestion of another.

You are right when you say that each kid responds to a different style of coaching; abuse doesn't work for everyone! However, a good Coach is very aware of that fact and makes the effort to take the time to learn what motivates and makes his individual players tick.  This should be done because each player has a different personality and set of skills, and if put together in the right order they can create a good TEAM.   For some reason Coaches do not seem to realize the affect they have on an individual player, or do they?  I understand that their is a great deal of pressure on Coaches to win, however, they should strive to create a positive, organized and disciplined environment, in order to get the best from their athletes. This creates a winning atmosphere. To me, it appears that some coaches are so busy feeding their own egos, and controlling everyone and everything, that learning about their players isn't an option.   

In my opinion, the teams that are successful/winners, appear to have a great deal of respect for their coach and play hard to win, not only for their team and school, but for their coach as well.  Just look at Immaculata, I think that is a good example of learning your players, and creating a successful program.  Their coaches have managed to accomplish putting together a winning team in just 3 years! 

As for Cabrini, my hope is that what we saw on Saturday, is now the norm!

I hope your comment about the "norm" comes true to play.  Perhaps they know now what it takes after a little alumni rubs off on them.  Only goes to show anybody can beat anybody in the PAC this year.  I just hope they all come to the realization that they must work hard every minute and that every game means something.

[WolfPAC]

Overnight ratings didn't move the needle.

An Eastern rotation of Reels, Miller, Piotrowski, Myers, Decker, Manzo, Leegwater, and Wright played the second half. They were able to cut a 20+ point deficit down to the final margin of 10, but this game was lost in the first half.

I think this one speaks to my earlier statement that no team works harder than the Macs.  They nearly went from a 20+ deficit to final margin of 10 as well, but in a much more impressive way.  For those of us with other affiliations, I suppose the hope is that our team will recognize what it takes to beat Immaculata and try to match that level of effort.  My guess is that a religious affiliation keeps the Macs from adopting Nolan Richardson's style specifically, so maybe Bruce Pearl's "Controlled Chaos" is a better fit.

Jon -----

You have to love the parity !    This is great for all fans.  Seems as more and more fans, parents, and students become more familiar with the players, the competitiveness rises.  Love seeing new posts from the MACS.

This can only grow the PAC into a more legitimate conference despite the critics assessment.  With the names being tossed around, interest peaks for tiebreakers as well.  The fans seem to have more of a vested interest this year.   Hope more will travel to the games as well even if their team is not playing in the game during the playoffs.  All benefit.

Wish Cabrini could play you again at the Vern !

[PacMan20]

In the many years that my family has been involved in the world of sports, I have yet to experience a basketball coach who takes positive criticism or suggestions from players, or for that matter, parents, regarding any aspect of coaching or their personality, either before or after the season.  I have only met one Coach, a football coach, who took that approach to Coaching, and had an open door policy for players, parents and administration.  I guess that is why he was so successful at Oklahoma, and respected by most of his former players. In my opinion, you have to be a secure person in order to listen, without retaliation, and implement change at the suggestion of another.

I wonder if Coach K has an open door policy to players, parents and so on?