MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Coach C]

I can think of about 30 coaches off the top of my head who have what Cabrinimom calls an open door policy.

But the coach has to take criticism from outside the locker room with a grain of salt.  If folks don't come to practice, don't go to away games, or don't know the players that well,, the insight is limited at best.

I've seen this Cabrini coach work with the players and also seen how he talks about them.  He respects players who respect the game.  It's very clear.  Yeah - he can get a little wacky on the sideline, but that certainly seems to increased the enthusiasm from the cemetery-like atmosphere a year back.

I can't comment on late week's game, but I'll tell you that he did a hell of a job on Saturday.

[hIdeUmm]

WHo dou you all have winning tonight. Predictions anyone?




And if anybody wants to take a minute and tell me what karma points are i would really appriciate it... Thanks.

[chizwiz]

HideUmm, karma points are points that others can give or take depending on how they like you, your statements, or just feel like doling out.  You can start to do that once you get to 100 or 150 (not sure) posts.  Don't worry about them too much, as you can see I don't.  It won't affect your ability to post, etc.

[Jon]

Somewhere there needs to be a tally page of karma points...maybe a list of the top five karma leaders and the bottom five bad karma leaders.

Tough blow for you there HIdeUm, getting an extra minus karma point today just for asking...

[WolfPAC]

WHo dou you all have winning tonight. Predictions anyone?




And if anybody wants to take a minute and tell me what karma points are i would really appriciate it... Thanks.

Sorry, I only analyzed the Cavs game in depth but here is what I predict for what it is worth......

Mis-  70
Cavs-64

Alvernia-85
Gwyn-68

Imm-79
Neum-75  possible OT though

[mailsy]

WHo dou you all have winning tonight. Predictions anyone?




And if anybody wants to take a minute and tell me what karma points are i would really appriciate it... Thanks.

Sorry, I only analyzed the Cavs game in depth but here is what I predict for what it is worth......

Mis-  70
Cavs-64

Alvernia-85
Gwyn-68

Imm-79
Neum-75  possible OT though

WolfPAC,

I hope you are wrong on that Cabrini game.  Obviously, they need to keep winning.  This is a big game for the Cavs if they want to make playoffs.  Won't be able to get to the game.  Unfortunately Cabrini's not paying my bills.  Go Cavs!

[hIdeUmm]

Thanks for the Explaination....

Im liking the OT Call for the Mac "W" tonight... Neumann is tough but i dont no if they can finish the Macs off.

GO CAVS is right have to root and believe the inside game of the Cavs can out work Miseri IF Coach H can leave the right personel in against them. I BELIEVE that the Cavs WILL Pull out a "W".

Im thinking (hoping as well) GMC comes out on fire and take it to Alvernia tonight after that Upsetting set back on Monday. Hoping that GMC doesnt jump out big because we all know where that gets them...


THE GAME OF THE NIGHT POSSIBLY?? Centenary vs Marywood... Just want Centenary to win again so there isnt 2 teams with 1 loss...

other than that a great night of bball on tap... Coronas chilled in my frige feet up laptop where its supposed to be (my lap) watching some good games... enjoy all... have a good evening!!! 

[chairman]

200 posts is the number... To ask for karma is like asking for free tickets on the radio. It is a guarantee to go the other way. it is a way to track the credibility of an individual speaker. If you go to the CCIW chat room, you will see that there are some big fluctuations in quantity and quality of posters. Typically points are awarded for bringing insight or expert analysis to the table. In example, if I had the ability to applaud, Jon would have been credited for a very useful post with a matrix.

Smiting is the response to inappropriate, annoying, or inaccurate posts. The theory is that anyone who cares enough about the board to post will not go crazy smiting people who bring valuable insight that differs from their own. I would argue that the system works better on boards that have more active posters.

On the prediction front, I think Alvernia will hold off Gwynedd by 10 (No big lead for Gwynedd tonight) , Neumann will beat Immaculata by 8, Misericordia by a bucket, and Centenary will out-pace the 'Wood by 14. But then again, what do I know

Not a pretty picture at the Forge last night.

[Jon]

Think of karma distribution as Stat Boy flicking the joysticks to give or take points during a rousing episode of Around the Horn.

Think of this as one lame post pulling me closer to begin a controller of Karma.

[PacMan20]

Does anyone have any thoughts on the progress (or lack there of) that the league is making? 

Immaculata has seemed to turn the corner, Misercordia is having a slightly above average season. Alvernia is doing ok within the league but there is non-conference record is not as strong as usual.  Cabrini seems to be improving if in small steps.  Eastern and Gwynedd have taken a steps backward. 

Basically what I'm getting at; is the PAC resigned to being one of the worst D3 mens bball conferences in the country? Is an at large bid completely out of sight? 

Just some food for thought to stir some conversation

[chairman]

seriously Jon.

It should be interesting to see which of us reaches that plateau first. One senior member of the board, and I ma not going to name who, but since there are only two.... I think everyone can guess... Put in a series of One line posts just to reach Smite status.

It's not Coach C....

[chairman]

The bigger level issue is what is going to happen next year. I think you overstate your case a bit. Without going into detail of naming conferences, the PAC is not "THE WORST," but your point is germane in that the league will lose three teams who are in the playoff hunt for this year including the dominant team from the past three year run.

My thought is that there are teams who are staying (ostensibly) who seemed to be poised with quality coaches and good young talent to make a move toward the top of the league. Immaculata's win over Ursinus looks bigger and bigger all the time, and Neumann, Cabrini, and even Centenary (who has some young talent and size-- maybe a point guard would be helpful) could step forward.

The truth is, however, there is not likely to see a PAC Team make a deep run in the NCAA tournament without a Badou-like pick-up.

[WolfPAC]

The bigger level issue is what is going to happen next year. I think you overstate your case a bit. Without going into detail of naming conferences, the PAC is not "THE WORST," but your point is germane in that the league will lose three teams who are in the playoff hunt for this year including the dominant team from the past three year run.

My thought is that there are teams who are staying (ostensibly) who seemed to be poised with quality coaches and good young talent to make a move toward the top of the league. Immaculata's win over Ursinus looks bigger and bigger all the time, and Neumann, Cabrini, and even Centenary (who has some young talent and size-- maybe a point guard would be helpful) could step forward.

The truth is, however, there is not likely to see a PAC Team make a deep run in the NCAA tournament without a Badou-like pick-up.

When they move the 3 pt line back will this make a difference for some weaker teams in the PAC after those mentioned exit? 

Chairman... do you think Herenda is a good recruiter?  If these teams you mentioned come to the fore front in the PAC, the difference would obviously be who wins the recruitment battle.  If these teams left in the PAC have a disadvantage because the others left and athletes follow the cream do you believe the PAC has to rebuild its reputation by a different strategy and if so how will the commissioner do this ? ? 

[chairman]

Truth be told, I have no idea if the new guy at Cabrini will be able to recruit there. it is a very expensive school-- not sure what the exact numbers are, but I know that it is more expensive than Eastern-- and while I think the education is probably pretty good, I'm not sure that the extra costs translate into extra value. It will be interesting to see if he can reopen some of the financial aid valves that seemed to squeeze shut near the close of Dzik's reign.

He seems like a nice guy, but the only way to judge a coach as a recruiter is either to be recruited by him or evaluate the level of talent that he brings to the team. I am not in position to make an assessment on that.

Really don't know how the commissioner will finish it. I know that the league is pretty aggressive with their webcast initiative and is looking to build a new website, but at the end of the day. Keystone, Baptist Bible and PBU look to be significant downgrades from the departing crowd. I think potential student athletes will have no choice but to look a little bit askance at the league which has some teams that will not be competitive.
I think Baptist Bible is the best of the incoming schools, and they along with PBU will probably slot in on top of Marywood and alongside a Centenary team that should be better.

[WolfPAC]

Truth be told, I have no idea if the new guy at Cabrini will be able to recruit there. it is a very expensive school-- not sure what the exact numbers are, but I know that it is more expensive than Eastern-- and while I think the education is probably pretty good, I'm not sure that the extra costs translate into extra value. It will be interesting to see if he can reopen some of the financial aid valves that seemed to squeeze shut near the close of Dzik's reign.

He seems like a nice guy, but the only way to judge a coach as a recruiter is either to be recruited by him or evaluate the level of talent that he brings to the team. I am not in position to make an assessment on that.

Really don't know how the commissioner will finish it. I know that the league is pretty aggressive with their webcast initiative and is looking to build a new website, but at the end of the day. Keystone, Baptist Bible and PBU look to be significant downgrades from the departing crowd. I think potential student athletes will have no choice but to look a little bit askance at the league which has some teams that will not be competitive.
I think Baptist Bible is the best of the incoming schools, and they along with PBU will probably slot in on top of Marywood and alongside a Centenary team that should be better.

Chairman,  thank you for your response.  Logical and realistic.  I was thinking what will happen next?  Eastern, Arcadia, Wesley, Alvernia, its pretty significant.   Seems to me Immaculata may be the saviour of the PAC since there will be no one left. 

With the quality of teams remaining in the PAC will the automatic bid for the conference be in jeopardy of being taken away?  Someone is going to have to lose it since the field is not expanding correct....Not trying to beat a dead horse but I must say Dzik's name always comes up somehow.

Please forgive me I know we all have moved on however it seems as though Dzik created the PAC and it will have come to a near demise with his departure unless some teams step up.  Do you see IMMAC, EU, and Cabrini as the dominating forces in the PAC within the near future after the realignment?   Basically, what you are saying if I interpret you correctly is that the PAC will be a conference where the teams fight to win a banner and never make it to the NCAA tournament because the schools are not strong enough as a result of a saturated area in addition to missions and presidents who may not see athletics as the academics are seen.  I know it is D3 after all yet the quality of play seems dilluted already in the conference except for the freshness of the MMacs. 

Performance of players and the emergence of superstars I guess could change the equation if a great one chooses a PAC school but why would they if they are small private and high dollar ??

The webcasts are a positive step as you mentioned.  I am getting saddened by all of this unless something turns this around.  I guess that is why there are 3 divisions though.