MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[mailsy]

Welcome back.

Neumann can get to eight wins with a win over Centenary. Either EU or Cabrini will get to nine wins with a win. nine wins is in... Neumann can get no more than eight. The tie breaker that kills both EU and Cabrini is record vs. league teams from the top down. Neumann's win at the Vern puts them ahead of EU and Cabrini, against whom they went 1-1. Therefore Cabrini is on the bubble. EU is also at eight wins and is on the bubble, but they have two games to get that win. No one wearing maroon and white--- or gray as the case may be--wants to push everything back to the Immaculata game.

Thanks Mailsy, and Chairman.

Sorry to over react but jut how I felt in the heat of the moment.   Foul shots, dribbling, completing a simple bounce pass, and holding your hands up straight while defending a paint player without leaning backwards, as well as taking a charge.... this disgusts me when a team cannot do these things but are very capable.  I think you know where I am coming from up in the Poconos.   Throwing the ball to someone who is not paying attention for some unknown reason while a couple of players have career days well I guess you just don't deserve to win the game.  OH and you have to remember to play defense as well.  Hard to take when you realize a team is playing for all the marbles and could have sewn a spot up.  I felt like walking away.  I don't know if it was because of a long ride or the fact that Bruce did not play and grab defensive rebounds or offensive rebounds and bang the boards due to a bad ankle.  I think Herenda is saving him for tomorrow in the do or die game.  Just ashame when the offensive did enough to win and Washington hit nine 3 point shots in a 3 minute span it seemed like.  Randy Reid scored 27 along with Washington's 33 and you still don't win the game because of fundamentals.  They had them if they just cleared the middle out and fouled out one guy on Miseri... so disheartening.  I can see disaster in the crystal ball tomorrow Mailsy unless I am dillusional.     

Thank you both for your patience and explanations.  Things make sense now after cooling off and seeing your posts.    I hate to say it but it is definitely THE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT.

Looking forward to tomorrows game between EU/Cavs.  I am off tomorrow for President's day so I will probably get there to see the women and mens game for senior day at Radnor.  I only hope the Cavs show up.  Should be a packed house I would hope with noise and fans rising to the occasion.  Coach N. and McTammey have a chance to squash the basketball program at Cabrini for this year or the Cavs and Herenda could make the playoffs and have a successful year to build upon next year if some recruits come in to play defense for Washington.   Hate to say it but it is all going to come down to a foul shot my gut is telling me unless one team shoots the three ball well enough to grab a big lead.

Thinking about driving down to Daytona to make the race at 2:00 see ya all later.  Thanks again for your clarifications.  I am chilling.

Thank goodness we got you off the ledge.  Flyer, I'm not sure what's going to happen yet.  If I see you at the game I'll let you know. Hopefully it will be a win.
Regarding Daytona, just stay home and watch it on TV, you'll be more rested for Monday.

[Jon]

Jon, Mailsy, Lefty2, Chiz, Chairman, Hidehumm, Wolfpac, Mr. PAc, Coach C. Booker,  and Pat Coleman,

I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating...

Etc., etc...

Flyguy, it appears as though all you did on the return trip down the NE ext. was stew over the performance of one team and figure they stood for the entire division.  Maybe you even ascended that crazy tree I thought your alter ego often climbed not so long ago.  If you do leave for the higher division, don't latch onto the St. Louis squad.  It has shown that same lack of execution of the fundamentals your beloved Cavs seemed to have lacked.

I'm glad you took the night to sleep on it and rejoin the fray here as we begin close a chapter on the PAC Chat Room.

[Jon]

I just discovered that the last posting of the matrix had a typo in the link, so it went to a page that was not found.  I fixed the link on that post and will post the link here as well for those interested.

2008 PAC MB Matrix

One exit closer to Karmatown...

[mailsy]

I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating...
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Flyguy, it appears as though all you did on the return trip down the NE ext. was stew over the performance of one team and figure they stood for the entire division.  Maybe you even ascended that crazy tree I thought your alter ego often climbed not so long ago. 

I'm glad you took the night to sleep on it and rejoin the fray here as we begin close a chapter on the PAC Chat Room.
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Jon,

We definitely talked Flyer down from the edge.  Obviously, blowing off steam after another frustrating loss.  Monday is new day.  I'll enjoy the last weeks of the PAC.  Who knows what lies ahead for the Cavs and the rest of the remaining PAC members.  I'll miss the interesting banter I've experienced over the last couple of weeks when the season and PAC is over.

[Jon]

Looks like Monday is another day for picture-in-picture-in-picture in the PAC.  Alvernia could seal up its third straight #1 seed with a win and the final regular-season conference game in the Eastern/Cabrini rivalry kicks off.

The Cougars hold quite a bit of seedings in their hands.  They've only lost once at home in conference this season going into Monday's game with Immaculata and the Thursday game at GMC could hold a bye in the balance.

We'll see what kind of out of town scoreboard we can cook up for the webcast Monday night at the Vern to keep the faithful up to date.  Check the front page of d3hoops.com for a link to the webcast.

[chairman]

All-PAC Squad the Final Edition--First Draft
I've decided to use Post #200 to throw out an All-PAC team and see what others have to offer back.

1st team:
POTY- Shawell... Seen him play twice in person. First time he looked mortal. The second time he hit tough shot after tough shot. Can't dispute the winning. If he is not unanimous there is some big time chicanery going on.

Baumunk... Misericordia 57% shooting and 16 and 6.5. Can only speak for what I've seen, but he has been very impressive in the two times I've seen him. Misericordia is right n the thick of things, and he is a huge part of what they do.

Finklea--Immac.... Looked special in the one game I saw him. Good passer and scorer. He can take over a game.

Washington-- CAB--Truly a special offensive talent. Defensive is a little suspicious at times, but the scoring is brilliant.

The Fifth spot is tough.... Go with Talley from GMC, but might be persuaded to go other directions if things move this week. He is the most dynamic scorer on a team that has battled back to earn a playoff spot.


2nd team:

King- Alvernia I moved him on to the second team only because I've not seen him create his own shot. Great range at the offensive end and  he does great work on the defensive boards.
Reid-- Very difficult to stop in the post.
Patrick-- Neumann-- I hate myself for this, but you can't argue with his talent, and when he decides he wants to play he can single-handedly win games. I'd rather vote for E. Hitchens, but Patrick does score nearly 17 per game.
Smith--Somewhat of a quiet year, but the rebounding numbers are good and he is a steady scorer.
Finish with Baker from Centenary-- Don't like to put a kid on a non-copntending team on the list, but the producitve numbers are there, and he can't be blamed for the huge ball-handling issues in the Cyclone backcourt.

COY-- TBD
ROY-- Washington in a landslide
POY-- Shawell.

Hope this starts some conversation.

[Flyer]

All-PAC Squad the Final Edition--First Draft
I've decided to use Post #200 to throw out an All-PAC team and see what others have to offer back.

1st team:
POTY- Shawell... Seen him play twice in person. First time he looked mortal. The second time he hit tough shot after tough shot. Can't dispute the winning. If he is not unanimous there is some big time chicanery going on.

Baumunk... Misericordia 57% shooting and 16 and 6.5. Can only speak for what I've seen, but he has been very impressive in the two times I've seen him. Misericordia is right n the thick of things, and he is a huge part of what they do.

Finklea--Immac.... Looked special in the one game I saw him. Good passer and scorer. He can take over a game.

Washington-- CAB--Truly a special offensive talent. Defensive is a little suspicious at times, but the scoring is brilliant.

The Fifth spot is tough.... Go with Talley from GMC, but might be persuaded to go other directions if things move this week. He is the most dynamic scorer on a team that has battled back to earn a playoff spot.


2nd team:

King- Alvernia I moved him on to the second team only because I've not seen him create his own shot. Great range at the offensive end and  he does great work on the defensive boards.
Reid-- Very difficult to stop in the post.
Patrick-- Neumann-- I hate myself for this, but you can't argue with his talent, and when he decides he wants to play he can single-handedly win games. I'd rather vote for E. Hitchens, but Patrick does score nearly 17 per game.
Smith--Somewhat of a quiet year, but the rebounding numbers are good and he is a steady scorer.
Finish with Baker from Centenary-- Don't like to put a kid on a non-copntending team on the list, but the producitve numbers are there, and he can't be blamed for the huge ball-handling issues in the Cyclone backcourt.

COY-- TBD
ROY-- Washington in a landslide
POY-- Shawell.

Hope this starts some conversation.

What about that talented Eastern squad? 

[Flyer]

I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating...

Flyguy, it appears as though all you did on the return trip down the NE ext. was stew over the performance of one team and figure they stood for the entire division.  Maybe you even ascended that crazy tree I thought your alter ego often climbed not so long ago. 

I'm glad you took the night to sleep on it and rejoin the fray here as we begin close a chapter on the PAC Chat Room.
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Jon,

We definitely talked Flyer down from the edge.  Obviously, blowing off steam after another frustrating loss.  Monday is new day.  I'll enjoy the last weeks of the PAC.  Who knows what lies ahead for the Cavs and the rest of the remaining PAC members.  I'll miss the interesting banter I've experienced over the last couple of weeks when the season and PAC is over.
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Good point about St Louis.....thx Jon.

[chairman]

Flyer--

I've seen them play in almost every game this year. Six or seven of them have looked like All-PAC Performers in a given game or couple games this year, but those same guys will come back with a four point/two rebound effort the next night. Reels and Miller are a year away. Johnson has not been enough of a threat to score-- not nearly the shot-blocking presence this year, and his rebounding has been spotty. Flanagan has been spectacular when he is on, but he has days where he won't pull the trigger, and shooters need to shoot.

I love them all, but I won't put any in my first 10 for now. I reserve the right to amend after Thursday's game. I hope I get to. I was just trying to get conversation going, and that is my honest all-PAC team for now.

[Flyer]

Flyer--

I've seen them play in almost every game this year. Six or seven of them have looked like All-PAC Performers in a given game or couple games this year, but those same guys will come back with a four point/two rebound effort the next night. Reels and Miller are a year away. Johnson has not been enough of a threat to score-- not nearly the shot-blocking presence this year, and his rebounding has been spotty. Flanagan has been spectacular when he is on, but he has days where he won't pull the trigger, and shooters need to shoot.

I love them all, but I won't put any in my first 10 for now. I reserve the right to amend after Thursday's game. I hope I get to. I was just trying to get conversation going, and that is my honest all-PAC team for now.

I respectfully agree with you cannot argue that point about EU.

King I feel is better than what  he gets credit for though, and makes those around him better as well.

Randy Reid if he could finish better or had a better move to the basket in the low post would be arguably a legend at that position so he may just
have sneaked into the spot you designated.

Shawell I agree with you 100%   Baumunk is a silent killer!

Washington great but a defensive liability at times although he could increase in value even more with these new teams coming into the conference next year.

How about Hyman as honorable mention somewhere though?

[chairman]

Hyman is right there... Baker's numbers are so strong, and Immac has faded a little as of late. If Immac were still a lock for second, I think I flip them. I hate to see an all-league spot go to a kid on a buried team, but Centnary's issues are so clearly ball-handling and depth that I don't feel he should be off completely.

I'd love to see everyone else come up with something as well.

[chairman]

eastern up 53-52 with 6 to play.

[lefty2]

After going up 2-0, Misericordia trailed by as many as 14 points and didn't lead again until 2:11 to play to beat Immaclulata, 73-65.

Vinny Baumunk went over 1,000 career points, including three (3) three-pointers in three minutes, the final one putting the Cougars ahead.

[lefty2]

The Eastern/Cabrini game has been over for at least 10 seconds - where's the updated matrix?

[Jon]

Sorry, I was listening to the webcast, which just got to the 2-minute warning.

2008 PAC MB Matrix