BB: SLIAC: St Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

VideoDawg · April 13, 2009, 03:53:54 PM

Oneandonly - Brilliant points. I don't think I would change a thing in your analysis. Only the X-Factor could change the outcome. Heart.

If a team catches fire they could come out on top. If they find a reason to win and it becomes a new habit, they could win but other than that your right on.

theoneandonly · April 13, 2009, 04:31:46 PM

Videodawg, I couldnt agree with you more. Although i think Webster will take the crown, I THINK THE TOURNEY is a whole different story. Because thats where heart will completely take over. Once you get into the tourney, everyone is 0-0 regardless of what has happened in the past. In order to get out of the tourney you must win 3 games. You have to be 3-0 or 3-1 to get into the Regionals. And no matter if you are the 1 seed or the 4, you still have to win 3 games no matter what your previous record is. Like I said i completely agree with you, but i think the heart factor will set in during the SLIAC tourney (Personally

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VideoDawg · April 13, 2009, 04:56:39 PM

When I said "top" I was really talking about the 3, 4, 5 positions regular season.

theoneandonly · April 13, 2009, 05:30:41 PM

Quote from: VideoDawg on April 13, 2009, 04:56:39 PM
When I said "top" I was really talking about the 3, 4, 5 positions regular season.

oh i knew what ya meant

flyonthewall · April 13, 2009, 07:24:13 PM

all this talk about the conference tourney is gettin me fired up!!! and we still have a lot of games to be played!

Here's my input on the conference tourney and the "heart" factor.

Webster has 1 senor that has been with the program all four years and thats Raetzloff. He is the heart and soul of the team. As a freshman, he had 7 at-bats. Then EXPLODED onto the leaderboards as a sophomore...
.399-Avg. 42-41 153-AB 56-R 61-H 14-2B 0-3B 4-HR 38-RBI 24-BB 4HP 21-K 30-32-SB

He has been around since day one and his senior year in the tourney will be something that he will not let end on any terms but the way HE wants it to. You can talk about Fuiten, and Huey, but to me, Raetzloff will be the one to carry his team in the tourney. Of course these guys know how to win, NCAA regional championship game last year, so they know what it takes.

Maryville has 5 seniors that have been with the program since day 1. These guys have been through the ups and downs no doubt. The seniors have had 1 sub .500 season, 1 .500 season, and 1 above .500 season and are looking to make it 2.

Allerdissen, Henkelman, Haven, and Murfin have been starters since they arrived on campus as freshman, and Bunton has been a role player. Personally, I think they have the MOST heart for the tourney. They lost the conference tourney because of the rain canceling the tourney and it has to be on their minds heading into the tournament this season.

HangEmBangEm · April 13, 2009, 08:48:51 PM

Quote from: flyonthewall on April 13, 2009, 07:24:13 PM
all this talk about the conference tourney is gettin me fired up!!! and we still have a lot of games to be played!

Here's my input on the conference tourney and the "heart" factor.

Webster has 1 senor that has been with the program all four years and thats Raetzloff. He is the heart and soul of the team. As a freshman, he had 7 at-bats. Then EXPLODED onto the leaderboards as a sophomore...
.399-Avg. 42-41 153-AB 56-R 61-H 14-2B 0-3B 4-HR 38-RBI 24-BB 4HP 21-K 30-32-SB

He has been around since day one and his senior year in the tourney will be something that he will not let end on any terms but the way HE wants it to. You can talk about Fuiten, and Huey, but to me, Raetzloff will be the one to carry his team in the tourney. Of course these guys know how to win, NCAA regional championship game last year, so they know what it takes.

Maryville has 5 seniors that have been with the program since day 1. These guys have been through the ups and downs no doubt. The seniors have had 1 sub .500 season, 1 .500 season, and 1 above .500 season and are looking to make it 2.

Allerdissen, Henkelman, Haven, and Murfin have been starters since they arrived on campus as freshman, and Bunton has been a role player. Personally, I think they have the MOST heart for the tourney. They lost the conference tourney because of the rain canceling the tourney and it has to be on their minds heading into the tournament this season.

Well I wouldn't say that they lost because of a rain cancelation. That's a little generous to Maryville. They were losing 5-1 in the third inning and were about to knock the starting pitcher out of the game. But i do agree with everything else said.

depew24 · April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM

They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.

HangEmBangEm · April 13, 2009, 09:30:10 PM

Quote from: depew24 on April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.

Well no one can argue that tallent is the deciding factor. You're very right, its not about getting jacked up for one game. It's about keeping a consistent intensity throughout a season. You cannot turn it on and off like a light switch.

JAdaPrince · April 14, 2009, 12:27:00 AM

FYI ... Fuiten has hit eight home runs on the season and only half has been at home ...

JAdaPrince · April 14, 2009, 01:05:45 AM

Can someone please tell me what this Karma thing is ... and why in the HELL is mine at -5 ...

flyonthewall · April 14, 2009, 01:15:50 AM

since when does heart associate with getting hyped and jacked up to win?

and I never doubted Fuiten btw... i just said that it HELPS when you have a 300 ft fence, I already said the guy can mash. He just has it easier because with his strength, a normal fly ball out for him is a home run, and thats a tip of the cap to HIM, not a diss so chill out.

All I'm saying is, while everyone is already slotting Webster into regionals, I'm not gonna buy it just yet. I think it will get pretty interesting

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 01:40:19 AM

I actually think its going to go exactly how this season has. If Webster sweeps the conference, which looks very possible, no team they play will have confidence going into it. Every team in this conference has already been beaten mentally by the dominant play this far. When you see teams that have beaten you get beat badly by another team, it knocks down the intensity level and the hope to win. I don't think any team believes they can beat Webster at this point. Now having said that, Maryville does have a chance to beat Webster. No one can say they don't because anything can happen. But, if somehow they do, it will give confidence going into the tournament. But if Webster goes undefeated in conference play, I think they win the tournament easy like they would have last year.

WashedUP07 · April 14, 2009, 08:25:19 AM

Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 14, 2009, 01:40:19 AM
I actually think its going to go exactly how this season has. If Webster sweeps the conference, which looks very possible, no team they play will have confidence going into it. Every team in this conference has already been beaten mentally by the dominant play this far. When you see teams that have beaten you get beat badly by another team, it knocks down the intensity level and the hope to win. I don't think any team believes they can beat Webster at this point. Now having said that, Maryville does have a chance to beat Webster. No one can say they don't because anything can happen. But, if somehow they do, it will give confidence going into the tournament. But if Webster goes undefeated in conference play, I think they win the tournament easy like they would have last year.

I agree with the above quote 100% mental edge is a big factor in victory. Webster has not lost a conference tourney game in what the past 4 - 5 years? Then again I have to play devil's advocate in saying that anything can happen, who would've thought Fresno State would've knocked off a powerhouse like Georgia for the NCAA Div I title?

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 09:20:34 AM

Quote from: depew24 on April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.

I Disagree with this. There is a certain heart factor. Wether you want to believe it or not, that is why baseball is such a great team... ANY TEAM CAN BEAT ANY OTHER TEAM, ON ANY GIVEN DAY! Now if you dont want to admit that, well then you're just lying to yourself. Some examples are the three Division III teams that have beat Division I teams this season, and the NAIA team that beat the Pittsburgh Pirates last week. Dont get me wrong now, it does require a certain "talent level" BUT clearly like stated above ANY TEAM CAN BEAT ANY OTHER TEAM ON ANYDAY, it just depends on the situations.

EXAMPLE:If Webster were to throw a guy who threw 99mph, and a Lincoln Christian team stuck their bats out and got some bloop hits and scored 1 run, then they played a great defensive game, that turns into a LC win. Regardless of their "Talent Level"

I know it doesnt happen all the time but the thing is it COULD happen and DOES a lot more than people realize. So until the END of the season, tourney and all, you cannot tell me that I am WRONG because so far, Im not, neither or you, or anyone for that matter. We will ALL just have to wait and see.

BigPoppa · April 14, 2009, 10:10:06 AM

Talent does NOT always win... if so then the Yankees would have won it all last year, and they did not even make the post-season.