BB: SLIAC: St Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 10:33:51 AM

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2009, 10:10:06 AM
Talent does NOT always win... if so then the Yankees would have won it all last year, and they did not even make the post-season.

AGREE'D!
AGREE'D!
AGREE'D!

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 10:38:31 AM

Quote from: depew24 on April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.

Sorry to be so blunt in my rejection of your hypothesis, but you know nothing about sports if you think that heart has anything to do with winning. There are way too many examples of teams with less talent beating teams with more. Why do coaches pins clippings on bulletin boards or spend money on motivational speakers? To interject emotion and heart into the situation.

Why do players clap in the dugout and swat each other on the butt? To keep their hands warm or latent homosexual tendencies (perhaps on your favorite team) but on all other teams it is to raise spirits, encourage, spur on, build heart and team.

Any sport is filled with emotion and heart. Heart will not always be the deciding factor but it is a factor. EVERY COACH knows this and uses it to his advantage. Here are just a few "losers" that agree with me and the books they wrote on the subject.

Beyond Basketball: Coach K's Keywords for Success by Mike Krzyzewski and Jamie K. Spatola

Get In The Game by Cal Ripken

Rebound Rules: The Art of Success 2.0 the Art of Success 2.0 by Rick Pitino and Pat Forde

The Winning Spirit: 16 Timeless Principles That Drive Performance Excellence by Joe Montana, Tom Mitchell, and Bruce Henderson

Please give me a list of books from pro players and coaches that say heart has nothing to do with out come and I will retract.

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 10:55:24 AM

A certain amount of heart is required. Of course if you don't care and see talented you have a big chance to lose. But if you have no talent it doesn't matter how much heart you have. But obviously every one in d3 has the heart required to play. They aren't payed to be there. They are there because they love the game. I don't think heart will play a factor in the tournament because everyone in the tournament will have high intensity and loads of heart. It will come down to talent. If Webster had no heart then I would say that would be a factor. But seeing how they play day in and day out, this is not the case.

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 11:01:38 AM

Webster should have the talent and heart to carry the tourney title, but we will see. More than one Goliath has been slain.

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 11:13:14 AM

Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 14, 2009, 10:55:24 AM
A certain amount of heart is required. Of course if you don't care and see talented you have a big chance to lose. But if you have no talent it doesn't matter how much heart you have. But obviously every one in d3 has the heart required to play. They aren't payed to be there. They are there because they love the game. I don't think heart will play a factor in the tournament because everyone in the tournament will have high intensity and loads of heart. It will come down to talent. If Webster had no heart then I would say that would be a factor. But seeing how they play day in and day out, this is not the case.

I do respectfully disagree, I believe a lot of teams get big heads and expect to win. and in all honesty thats the worst thing that can happen. Im not saying any team in particular, just saying it happens. I think they tourney, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A LOT OF SEASON LEFT, wont let anyone down. I think its up in the air and up there for anyone to grab.. obviously the regular season isint quite the same ha!

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 11:21:25 AM

I see your points. But one thing I don't quite agree with, you say expecting to win is a bad thing. But I would rather see a team that expects to win every game. This only means that they are confident and play the game like it needs to be played. Saying that though, there is a fine line between confident and cocky. I see cockiness as the factor that will slow a team down, decrease hustle and cause upsets. But a confident team that never expects to lose is a good team. If you don't think your good enough to win every game you play then I don't see a strong attitude.

SLIAC4LIFE · April 14, 2009, 11:22:22 AM

In light of this topic I would like to say that one classic story comes to mind for me. The 1980 Miracle on Ice. There are about 5 people on this board that would say that Webster is Russia. Without a doubt the most dominant team on the face of the SLIAC. No one can beat them EVER. They are better in every aspect of the game and they show more heart (which sometimes is and sometimes is not a factor. . . who ever the post comes from) than any team in the SLIAC. Then you have. . .any team that isn't Webster. No chance of making any noise because they have not prepaird the way Webster has and they are all too scared becuase they have been beaten so badly during the season (which the Russians did 10-3 in an exhibition match before the Olympics). But when that conference tourny starts it is a new feel. Pitchers go deeper into games and big players step up to get big hits. These are things that Webster has done all year without anyone answering the call. Do I think that other teams are scared of facing Webster in the tourny? No. I think everyone cannot wait to get one more chance at taking down the BIG GUY. This is all based on heart, determination, talent, and coaching. Webster may win the whole thing, they may not, all I am saying is nothing is given. If Webster comes in the tourny like the Russians did an upset would not surprise me. Saying it is a miracle is taking away credit from teams that worked hard all year to get ready to be in the top 4. Who ever makes it has an equal shot at winning it all. And if you think if a team that beats Webster in the tourny will not win after that. . . the Miracle on Ice was not even the Gold Medal game.

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 11:39:10 AM

Haha good comparison. So if anyone beats Webster I'll await the movie showing in 2010. Just kidding. Everyone knows anything can happen. But Webster knows this as well. Everyone in the conference is guning for them. And this brings more motivation to the situation. But anything can happen. And who doesn't like to see an upset? Its why we play and watch the game. If the more talented team won everytime, we would have an extremely boring sport.

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 11:58:21 AM

Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on April 14, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
In light of this topic I would like to say that one classic story comes to mind for me. The 1980 Miracle on Ice. There are about 5 people on this board that would say that Webster is Russia. Without a doubt the most dominant team on the face of the SLIAC. No one can beat them EVER. They are better in every aspect of the game and they show more heart (which sometimes is and sometimes is not a factor. . . who ever the post comes from) than any team in the SLIAC. Then you have. . .any team that isn't Webster. No chance of making any noise because they have not prepaird the way Webster has and they are all too scared becuase they have been beaten so badly during the season (which the Russians did 10-3 in an exhibition match before the Olympics). But when that conference tourny starts it is a new feel. Pitchers go deeper into games and big players step up to get big hits. These are things that Webster has done all year without anyone answering the call. Do I think that other teams are scared of facing Webster in the tourny? No. I think everyone cannot wait to get one more chance at taking down the BIG GUY. This is all based on heart, determination, talent, and coaching. Webster may win the whole thing, they may not, all I am saying is nothing is given. If Webster comes in the tourny like the Russians did an upset would not surprise me. Saying it is a miracle is taking away credit from teams that worked hard all year to get ready to be in the top 4. Who ever makes it has an equal shot at winning it all. And if you think if a team that beats Webster in the tourny will not win after that. . . the Miracle on Ice was not even the Gold Medal game.

GREAT POST +1 Karma,
and Hangem, I think I didnt explain very well... you hit it right on the head of where i was heading. The cockiness is what i was trying to refer to but neglected to explain in detail.. you basically said what i was attempting at haha.

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 02:07:56 PM

Hey, where did depew24 go?

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 02:52:59 PM

Ah ok well at least it seems like we are all on the same page for once ha.

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 03:01:38 PM

Quote from: VideoDawg on April 14, 2009, 02:07:56 PM
Hey, where did depew24 go?

Right back where he belonged. 8)

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 03:31:09 PM

Well Maryville and Webster are a wash for today. Should play tomorrow is what I hear.

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 03:33:55 PM

I don't know how Maryville is going to fit in all of these rainouts. It will push their pitching staff if they are going to try to get them all in.

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 04:55:43 PM

I'm right here VD.

First of all, that Yankees are NOT the most talented team in baseball, just the highest paid. Sorry for whoever said they were the most talented. You're wrong.

Second, Webster has more heart than any SLIAC team. There you go, sounds dumb right? BECAUSE IT IS! You can NOT say that one team has more heart just because they have more seniors on a team. That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. So stop it.

I guess if you want me to stop being correct about my Webster predictions then SOMEONE in the SLIAC beat them. If it's all about heart then just have more. Want it more. If talent doesn't play as big a factor then why are they undefeated in conference. Because they are better than everyone else.

You guys are talking about being cocky and I'm not sure you know if they are or not, you're not around them so don't make judgment calls like that. Not fair to say that about a group of people you don't know.

Here I am VD...

By the way, what are you the oneandonly of? Nice name.......oh yeah, I'm not on here all of the time because I do have a life outside of a D3 forum.