BB: SLIAC: St Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 05:06:45 PM

Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
I'm right here VD.

First of all, that Yankees are NOT the most talented team in baseball, just the highest paid. Sorry for whoever said they were the most talented. You're wrong.

Second, Webster has more heart than any SLIAC team. There you go, sounds dumb right? BECAUSE IT IS! You can NOT say that one team has more heart just because they have more seniors on a team. That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. So stop it.

I guess if you want me to stop being correct about my Webster predictions then SOMEONE in the SLIAC beat them. If it's all about heart then just have more. Want it more. If talent doesn't play as big a factor then why are they undefeated in conference. Because they are better than everyone else.

Here I am VD...

By the way, what are you the oneandonly of? Nice name.......oh yeah, I'm not on here all of the time because I do have a life outside of a D3 forum.

Hey way to go, not responding to any of the valid points against your foolish argument. I'm assuming your reading comprehension scores were fairly low on the ACT's or SAT's so let me rephrase the arguments against your hypothesis that heart doesn't matter in sports.

Webster good.
Other teams not so good.
Other teams could try better show more heart.
Webster not try as better less heart that day.
Good team gets beat by not so good team.

I hope this will make it easier for you to understand. If not I could prepare a flow chart with simple drawings.

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 05:19:10 PM

Way to go, again, attacking someone in order to try to make yourself look tough.

I'll keep it at this.

Webster has been the class of the SLIAC for a little while now. You can talk about heart and talent all you want but when it all comes down to it, just beat them. That's all.

And actually, i scored pretty well on my ACT. Enough to get into some pretty good private schools.

I understand the whole heart argument but you have no clue the heart of a team. YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT. So, yeah, you might be correct about them losing the conference tourney but you'll be wrong.

If you want to keep insulting someone intelligence over an internet message board it just shows your's

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 05:20:52 PM

Talk to me when Webster loses the regular season conference title or the tournament title. Until then keep having 'heart'

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 05:30:18 PM

Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 04:55:43 PM

By the way, what are you the oneandonly of? Nice name.......oh yeah, I'm not on here all of the time because I do have a life outside of a D3 forum.

My friend, i only made a joke, im not involved in this. If you want to find someone to argue with you've picked the wrong guy. That is my only response to this.

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 05:36:50 PM

I was joking as well. Kind of wanted to know the answer but it's cool

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 05:59:15 PM

On to new things, has anyone noticed the rediculous schedule that Blackburn will host the rest of this week? If not heres a run down (IF IT DOESNT GET RAINED OUT OF COURSE)

April 15th: Eastern Illinois University(24-6) -On a side note this team has also
beat #15 Oklahoma

-Have Brett Nommensen (.521, 11hrs, 26 RBI)
-Have Jordan Kreke (.435, 9hrs, 40RBI)
-Hitting .380 as a team with 58 HRS
April 18th: University of Dallas(17-8-1)
University of Dallas(17-8-1)
April 19th: University of Dallas(17-8-1) - Have Zach Atkins (.447, 10hrs, 46 RBI)
University of Dallas(17-8-1)

Beavers better play some tough ball or they could come out with 5 huge losses this weekend. Hopefully their pitching comes out in full force and scott ward gets his head on straight. otherwise... yeah, a longgggg weekend is ahead

theoneandonly · April 14, 2009, 06:00:17 PM

Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
I was joking as well. Kind of wanted to know the answer but it's cool

I can tell you.. I am the one and only of baseball. HA! that is all i can tell you because, i really just thought of the name off the top of my head.

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM

depew - You still don't get it. You are the one that said that heart has nothing to with baseball you said, "For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make."

The majority of the comments were not about Webster at all, it was about the fact that intangibles like heart and desire can outweigh talent in any sport. The above is as simple as I can make it.

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 06:10:17 PM

And this is as simple as i can make it.

SOMEONE BEAT WEBSTER!!!! With heart or talent.

Talent will win in the end.

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 06:17:39 PM

Do you believe in the entire history of mankind that a team with heart ever beat a team with better talent? Simple question. Yes or no?

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 06:19:40 PM

I believe that just because a team is more talented than another does not mean that they also do not have more heart!

How do you rate heart? Simple question. Answer that

depew24 · April 14, 2009, 06:28:03 PM

To answer your question, yes, a less talented team can beat a team with more talent but i think in baseball, heart plays less of a factor. That's my opinion.

Up to this point Webster has not lost a conference game so at this point I don't care how much heart the other team has they have not won. And this is fact.

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 06:29:05 PM

Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 06:19:40 PM
I believe that just because a team is more talented than another does not mean that they also do not have more heart!

How do you rate heart? Simple question. Answer that

No one ever asserted that talent means no heart or that heart means no talent. Rating heart is the hardest thing to do in sports. As a coach, pushing your players to excel reveals heart. Usually you can tell a lack of heart easier. When the more talented team loses to the less talented. I have had that pit of my stomach feeling of winning when the odds were against us. Rating it is impossible but you just know when you have the better team on the ropes.

I answered yours you answer mine.

Do you believe in the entire history of mankind that a team with heart ever beat a team with better talent? Simple question. Yes or no?

VideoDawg · April 14, 2009, 06:30:16 PM

Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
To answer your question, yes, a less talented team can beat a team with more talent but i think in baseball, heart plays less of a factor. That's my opinion.

Up to this point Webster has not lost a conference game so at this point I don't care how much heart the other team has they have not won. And this is fact.

Due to your honest answer that yes a less talented team can beat a more talented team. We have no disagreement.

HangEmBangEm · April 14, 2009, 06:39:49 PM

Ok fellas, instead of arguing why dont we look at this from a logical point of view. We all know that a team with no intensity/heart but all the talent in the world can get beat by a less talented team that keeps a consistant intensity. Now what do we consider heart? I consider it the intensity that an idividual or team keeps throughout the game, the focus and the drive to win. I dont believe heart has anything to do with getting hyped up. Its just the hate of losing and the strive for victory.

But I believe wholeheartedly that heart in baseball is proven in the offseason by workethic and drive. A kid that is in the weight room every day, hitting when no one else is, doing the extra agility work, watching as much baseball as possible to gain a greater understanding of the game. The work in the offseason is what brings out a GREAT regular season. I do believe that baseball is not a game that you can take time off and slack in the post season and then come out and be a stud. That is why heart is determined by the amount of work you do when NO one is forcing you to. Baseball is a game of repitition, the more GOOD swings you take, the better you will hit. Nothing more about it. The more ground balls you see, the better prepared you will be in a game. HEART BREADS TALLENT. Now the teams you see dominating now, are teams that have that focus and drive. It is not something you turn on for the post season, it is something you were born with, something that fuels everything you do.

Now obviously if we want to talk specifics, i think both maryville and webster have this drive, and it shows in the stat/records. I still believe it will be a good series and could make for a good post season. Heart will come into play when all of the preparation you have done is put in a pressure situation. It will make you make that extra play, but only because it forced you to work that much harder before hand. That's the way I see it, and thats the way it has been proven throughout all the baseball i have watched.