BB: MWC: Midwest Conference

[BigPoppa]

How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

[TurtleHead]

How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

Has nothing to do with time management.  When you give your schedule to your professor in the beginning of the semester and he still assigns you a presentation on the day of a game and refuses to allow you to switch days.  There really is nothing the athlete can do.  Coaches and administrators try to do what they can, but some just will not budge. 

[ballfan55]

My son sat down with his adviser for the first time and was told that at some point he might have to quit baseball and just be a student.  He is fortunate that all of his teachers are baseball fans but he missed quite a bit of class and I know he is feeling a lot of pressure right now.  Originally it looked like he was going to miss the last days of class for the semester which wouldn't be good, but the schedule was reworked so he is getting some final class time in.

[mr_b]

How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

Has nothing to do with time management.  When you give your schedule to your professor in the beginning of the semester and he still assigns you a presentation on the day of a game and refuses to allow you to switch days.  There really is nothing the athlete can do.  Coaches and administrators try to do what they can, but some just will not budge. 

It has a lot to do with time management!  The first week of class, you get your game schedule, your class schedule, your syllabi, due dates for assignments, test dates, etc., and make out a calendar for the entire semester.  Stay current, even ahead, of readings and homework, because when the season starts in earnest, you'll find that your time is even more limited -- a 3.00PM game time might mean a 12.00 PM bus departure.

If you are a player and cannot avoid an academic responsibility such as a test or a presentation on an assigned date, you talk to the coach well in advance.  You miss the game, not the presentation, if necessary.  I can't imagine a coach arguing against that, at least not at the D3 level.  Arrange to take tests in advance, if possible.  Have that research paper done a few days in advance.  There are many things that you can do to squeeze more out of your weekly schedule.

[CrashDavisD3]

How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

Has nothing to do with time management.  When you give your schedule to your professor in the beginning of the semester and he still assigns you a presentation on the day of a game and refuses to allow you to switch days.  There really is nothing the athlete can do.  Coaches and administrators try to do what they can, but some just will not budge. 

It has a lot to do with time management!  The first week of class, you get your game schedule, your class schedule, your syllabi, due dates for assignments, test dates, etc., and make out a calendar for the entire semester.  Stay current, even ahead, of readings and homework, because when the season starts in earnest, you'll find that your time is even more limited -- a 3.00PM game time might mean a 12.00 PM bus departure.

If you are a player and cannot avoid an academic responsibility such as a test or a presentation on an assigned date, you talk to the coach well in advance.  You miss the game, not the presentation, if necessary.  I can't imagine a coach arguing against that, at least not at the D3 level.  Arrange to take tests in advance, if possible.  Have that research paper done a few days in advance.  There are many things that you can do to squeeze more out of your weekly schedule.

Agree on all your points regarding managing your time..Missing practices sometimes yes,
games Never.....

[TurtleHead]

How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

Has nothing to do with time management.  When you give your schedule to your professor in the beginning of the semester and he still assigns you a presentation on the day of a game and refuses to allow you to switch days.  There really is nothing the athlete can do.  Coaches and administrators try to do what they can, but some just will not budge. 

It has a lot to do with time management!  The first week of class, you get your game schedule, your class schedule, your syllabi, due dates for assignments, test dates, etc., and make out a calendar for the entire semester.  Stay current, even ahead, of readings and homework, because when the season starts in earnest, you'll find that your time is even more limited -- a 3.00PM game time might mean a 12.00 PM bus departure.

If you are a player and cannot avoid an academic responsibility such as a test or a presentation on an assigned date, you talk to the coach well in advance.  You miss the game, not the presentation, if necessary.  I can't imagine a coach arguing against that, at least not at the D3 level.  Arrange to take tests in advance, if possible.  Have that research paper done a few days in advance.  There are many things that you can do to squeeze more out of your weekly schedule.

Mr_B,
Understand your point about the test, etc.  My point was that even when you have gone over your schedule and provided it to your professor to avoid having presentations being assigned on dates when you have games. (such as giving the presentation on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday)  It can be unavoidable regardless of how well you manage your time.  I have known kids who tried to give presentations in advance and the professor has still refused to move the date.  This is why I said previously that mid-week games associated with a 3 game format might be an issue in the MWC.

[mr_b]

Mr_B,
Understand your point about the test, etc.  My point was that even when you have gone over your schedule and provided it to your professor to avoid having presentations being assigned on dates when you have games. (such as giving the presentation on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday)  It can be unavoidable regardless of how well you manage your time.  I have known kids who tried to give presentations in advance and the professor has still refused to move the date.  This is why I said previously that mid-week games associated with a 3 game format might be an issue in the MWC.

TurtleHead,

I can appreciate the dilemma, and sometimes test/presentation dates are fixed in advance and are immovable because of the flow of course material.  When that happens, the student-athlete needs to make a decision -- miss a test or miss a game.  No athlete wants to miss a game, but it can happen.  In the CCIW we have several mid-week games, and the players (and coaches) need to plan accordingly.  I don't think it would be an issue more than once or twice in a semester (though I could be wrong).

[hickory_cornhusker]

The talk of a change happening is going through the Carroll campus is going on. I don't know though what that means. If it is a change of conference or a change in the Midwest Conference rules. It could also be just because there is a new athletic director coming in. One rumor that I heard is but don't have much faith in is Carroll to the WIAC. I doubt it but remember that the new AD Baker is from La Crosse and so is the president, Doug Hastad. Once again I doubt it but there is nothing in the WIAC Constitution that says you have to be a UW school to join.
As farfetch'd as this sounds there are advantages for the WIAC to do this. If Carroll and the ACM goes through and St. Norbert comes on board as well you end up with 11 schools. A lot I know but 10 football school means finding only 1 non-conference game, all sports the total of non-conference games would fall. Men's soccer could get an AQ. With Pool B dying that would be very advantageous for them. It would solidify baseball if another school goes through what La Crosse went through. Men's tennis would be close to AQ status as well. Men's hockey would also be only one short of having enough for an AQ. This is all a long shot but not a complete impossibility. The state legislature would be a road block but I think it could be side stepped (if the WIAC wants to) if it could be shown that this will reduce program costs due to less travel needed.

Personally I like the MWC how it is. If that's not possible I would like to see Carroll join the CCIW. Next on the list would be the WIAC. I just don't like the NAthCon. I think Carroll wouldn't be challenged enough and it is a step down in exposure from the MWC.

[Ralph Turner]

Carroll's return to the CCIW makes more sense.

[Just Bill]

Men's hockey would also be only one short of having enough for an AQ.

WIAC men's hockey teams already have an AQ as members of the NCHA.

[Gregory Sager]

Carroll's return to the CCIW makes more sense.

Agreed -- if you're Carroll, that is. If you're the eight current members of the CCIW, it makes no sense at all. And that's why Carroll is not going to rejoin the league, from everything I've heard from various CCIW coaches and administrators.

Carroll and St. Norbert joining the WIAC is an intriguing idea, for the reasons hickory_cornhusker outlined. But I can't imagine it taking place; the two MWC schools are awkward fits for the WIAC for all kinds of reasons, not just the obvious public vs. private reason.

[TurtleHead]

Beloit and St Norbert Split the Dbl header yesterday.  20-18 St Nobert and 8-5 Beloit.  The second game was called in the top of the 8th due to darkness.  St. Norberts outfielders complained they couldn't see the ball after they missed a pop-up.  It really wasn't that dark out and really could easily have finished out the inning.  I thought St Norberts head was going to explode arguing with the umpires, but it was his team that complained. 

Truthfully they missed one pop-up in the outfield and with the way the wind was blowing I doubt darkness had anything to do with them missing the ball. 

[cubs]

Beloit and St Norbert Split the Dbl header yesterday.  20-18 St Nobert and 8-5 Beloit.  The second game was called in the top of the 8th due to darkness.  St. Norberts outfielders complained they couldn't see the ball after they missed a pop-up.  It really wasn't that dark out and really could easily have finished out the inning.  I thought St Norberts head was going to explode arguing with the umpires, but it was his team that complained. 

Truthfully they missed one pop-up in the outfield and with the way the wind was blowing I doubt darkness had anything to do with them missing the ball. 

I noticed that there was only a boxscore up for Game #1 yesterday between Beloit and SNC.  Any chance Game #2 is "suspended" and will continue on Saturday?

Nevermind....  Here's my answer:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100430/GPG020102/4300523/1225/GPG02

[OshDude]

Beloit and St Norbert Split the Dbl header yesterday.  20-18 St Nobert and 8-5 Beloit.  The second game was called in the top of the 8th due to darkness.  St. Norberts outfielders complained they couldn't see the ball after they missed a pop-up.  It really wasn't that dark out and really could easily have finished out the inning.  I thought St Norberts head was going to explode arguing with the umpires, but it was his team that complained. 

Truthfully they missed one pop-up in the outfield and with the way the wind was blowing I doubt darkness had anything to do with them missing the ball. 

I noticed that there was only a boxscore up for Game #1 yesterday between Beloit and SNC.  Any chance Game #2 is "suspended" and will continue on Saturday?

Nevermind....  Here's my answer:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100430/GPG020102/4300523/1225/GPG02

Just refreshed SNC's schedule and it says the game is suspended. BC's still says under protest. Interesting debate. I see both sides of the argument.

[TurtleHead]

Beloit and St Norbert Split the Dbl header yesterday.  20-18 St Nobert and 8-5 Beloit.  The second game was called in the top of the 8th due to darkness.  St. Norberts outfielders complained they couldn't see the ball after they missed a pop-up.  It really wasn't that dark out and really could easily have finished out the inning.  I thought St Norberts head was going to explode arguing with the umpires, but it was his team that complained. 

Truthfully they missed one pop-up in the outfield and with the way the wind was blowing I doubt darkness had anything to do with them missing the ball. 

I noticed that there was only a boxscore up for Game #1 yesterday between Beloit and SNC.  Any chance Game #2 is "suspended" and will continue on Saturday?

Nevermind....  Here's my answer:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100430/GPG020102/4300523/1225/GPG02

Just refreshed SNC's schedule and it says the game is suspended. BC's still says under protest. Interesting debate. I see both sides of the argument.

I will let everyone know as I find out more info.  I know both teams were arguing to continue playing yesterday.  I am not sure if anyone is going to have any disciplinary action against them.  St Norberts coach was kind of out of control.  Not sure if you can toss a coach after the game has been called.  If you can I am pretty sure he was.