BB: LEC: Little East Conference

[rob]

HOLY CRAP!!  This message Board is crazy!!!!

[kscer]

Stop embarrassing yourself wild thing. 

While USM and Keene State were slugging it out in the LEC tournament WNE was taking 9 days off after ripping through The Cup Cake Conference (TCCC) tournament being the likes of below .500 Roger Williams for the conference championship.

After battling through the 5 game LEC tournament against actual competition in all must win match ups the LEC teams had two days rest before the regional with no chance to set up their pitching.

WNE played 4 below .500 teams in their conference tournament then rested for over a week setting up their pitching.

Great observation Boggsy789!  +1!

You make the case that the 9 days rest was the difference in WNE's making the New England Regional finals and the LEC going 1-4.

If that is the case, then the LEC should consider moving the conference tourney up a week.

It very hard for the LEC to move the tournament up a week when half of the LEC schools can't play home games until mid April most years....

What??? How are they any different than any other conference in New England???  The entire NEAC is in Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire.

Have you ever looked at the NEAC schedule. It's wicked, but it is over early. Nine days rest for pitching is better than three days. Keene's starting pitching except for Thiesing did not deliver. Another factor maybe that KSC had a lot of seniors who had graduated on May 5th. Maybe they were not so focused as they should have been.

3 days rest??? Pelkey was on 5 and Theising was on 4, that's full rest.

Wild Thing, I don"t think Keene State lost because their pitching was not rested. They lost because two of their starters could not get outs early in the games, they committed errors and did not get the hits they needed when they needed them.  Whatever the reason is I don't think it was because they were tired. But nine days rest for young bodies is better than three days. That's a fact.

[wordsmith]

Maybe we turn the conversation a bit....

I have a "wonder-mont". I am wondering if the tide has turned in New England away from State schools to private schools becoming the power schools? Wheaton, St. Joe's, WNE, Trinity, are all power schools while the only state schools that make that list are EConn, USM, KSC.

We see schools like Bowdoin, Tufts, Amherst, and Curry drifting in and out of the regional rankings on a yearly basis, whilst state schools (i.e. UMB, RIC) have "their year" but seldom return on a regular basis.

So I open this up for debate - Has the balance of power shifted to private schools in New England or is what we've seen over the past several years an anomaly? - Look forward to your thoughts 

[wildthngvaughn]

Stop embarrassing yourself wild thing. 

While USM and Keene State were slugging it out in the LEC tournament WNE was taking 9 days off after ripping through The Cup Cake Conference (TCCC) tournament being the likes of below .500 Roger Williams for the conference championship.

After battling through the 5 game LEC tournament against actual competition in all must win match ups the LEC teams had two days rest before the regional with no chance to set up their pitching.

WNE played 4 below .500 teams in their conference tournament then rested for over a week setting up their pitching.

Great observation Boggsy789!  +1!

You make the case that the 9 days rest was the difference in WNE's making the New England Regional finals and the LEC going 1-4.

If that is the case, then the LEC should consider moving the conference tourney up a week.

It very hard for the LEC to move the tournament up a week when half of the LEC schools can't play home games until mid April most years....

What??? How are they any different than any other conference in New England???  The entire NEAC is in Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire.

Have you ever looked at the NEAC schedule. It's wicked, but it is over early. Nine days rest for pitching is better than three days. Keene's starting pitching except for Thiesing did not deliver. Another factor maybe that KSC had a lot of seniors who had graduated on May 5th. Maybe they were not so focused as they should have been.

3 days rest??? Pelkey was on 5 and Theising was on 4, that's full rest.

Wild Thing, I don"t think Keene State lost because their pitching was not rested. They lost because two of their starters could not get outs early in the games, they committed errors and did not get the hits they needed when they needed them.  Whatever the reason is I don't think it was because they were tired. But nine days rest for young bodies is better than three days. That's a fact.

I can guarantee that the 2010 UMASS-Boston team would disagree.  Except for pitchers, 3 days rest is an eternity.  Baseball is suppose to be played almost everyday.  Riding a hot streak out of your conference tournament into the NCAA's is a lot better than winning your tournament and then waiting 9 days.   

[wildthngvaughn]

Maybe we turn the conversation a bit....

I have a "wonder-mont". I am wondering if the tide has turned in New England away from State schools to private schools becoming the power schools? Wheaton, St. Joe's, WNE, Trinity, are all power schools while the only state schools that make that list are EConn, USM, KSC.

We see schools like Bowdoin, Tufts, Amherst, and Curry drifting in and out of the regional rankings on a yearly basis, whilst state schools (i.e. UMB, RIC) have "their year" but seldom return on a regular basis.

So I open this up for debate - Has the balance of power shifted to private schools in New England or is what we've seen over the past several years an anomaly? - Look forward to your thoughts 

I don't think the tide has turned.  Its all about coaching.  If you get the right coach that knows how to recruit, you will be good.  If the private schools were paying big bucks for coaches, then I think that it could happen, but at the D III level, I don't see much difference between the publics and privates.  As long as Eastern has Holwaty, they will be good. As long as Southern has Flaherty, they will be good. LaBranche, Howe, Sanborn...

[wordsmith]

Maybe we turn the conversation a bit....

I have a "wonder-mont". I am wondering if the tide has turned in New England away from State schools to private schools becoming the power schools? Wheaton, St. Joe's, WNE, Trinity, are all power schools while the only state schools that make that list are EConn, USM, KSC.

We see schools like Bowdoin, Tufts, Amherst, and Curry drifting in and out of the regional rankings on a yearly basis, whilst state schools (i.e. UMB, RIC) have "their year" but seldom return on a regular basis.

So I open this up for debate - Has the balance of power shifted to private schools in New England or is what we've seen over the past several years an anomaly? - Look forward to your thoughts 

I don't think the tide has turned.  Its all about coaching.  If you get the right coach that knows how to recruit, you will be good.  If the private schools were paying big bucks for coaches, then I think that it could happen, but at the D III level, I don't see much difference between the publics and privates.  As long as Eastern has Holwaty, they will be good. As long as Southern has Flaherty, they will be good. LaBranche, Howe, Sanborn...

Thanks for the thoughts....the other thing I'd add is that the private schools have improved their facilities over most of the state schools which is another added attraction after the school, the coach, the program rep. Wheaton, WNE, both have nice facilities as does USM & of course EConn.

[GBear210]

I don't think it's about private or state schools.  It's about schools who want good education and athletics in all sports.  This is what sets WNE, and schools like them, several from the Cup Cake Conference (Endicott, Curry, Salve...), and the NESCAC apart from the baseball elites.
They have a clue that sports and academics go hand in hand.
Consider the NESCAC and TCCC and where they stand not only in basebal... but Lacrosse, Soccer, and yes the F-Word LEC (Like Esentially no Contact), FOOTBALL!!
They maintain quality athletes and records in all of the above.  If ECSU, KSC, USM, UMass Boston, and Wheaton had football programs, where would they be???  Plymouth State (NOTE: State School - Word) is the only LEC school, and perhaps WCSU, havea clue it's about all sports at the D3 level.  They usually struggle in at least one of the above mentioned sports.
When you can direct your attention, from an athletic department standpoint, to a single priority, it's no wonder you are spoiled with an elite status.
Try doing it all with success, and the additional funds (and energy) required to do so.
Pretty simple when you look at the entire picture.
GString (or maybe 1stString; LEC)

[kscer]

A dose of reality for Poohbear003...
"The Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) has selected Keene State College as the 2005 ECAC Jostens Institution of the Year. The award is presented annually to the ECAC institution that best exemplifies the highest standards of collegiate academics and athletic performance. Established in 1995, the honor has gone previously to Williams College (four times), Princeton University (twice), Middlebury College, Georgetown University, Harvard University, and the University of Maryland. "
Don't see none of the schools you mention, L'il poohbear.

Word, There may be some validity to your point. Funding support for State schools has definitely decreased recently, particularly in respect to capital improvement programs. Salaries at State schools are public knowledge so they tend to be lower for the coaching staff. Private schools have endowments that support various athletics programs. There are rumors that some well-endowed schools offer significant "academic" scholarships to student-athletes, that state schools cannot match. Schools which maintain academic standards while creating a good environment for athletics will attract the better student athletes. For Public Colleges this is a difficult task.

[wordsmith]

THIS JUST IN......

The real Evil Empire in the Little East is none other than THE Keene State Colleg. Not only is KSC a recent Jostens winner (see earlier posting) but THE Keene State College (TKSC) is once again, and for the 12th consecutive year winner of the LEC Comissioner's Cup as the top athletic program in the LEC.

A top educational instutition, THE top athletic program....WOW. Not too shabby. Congrats to all at KSC.

Proud Dad and Husband of KSC Grads.

http://keeneowls.com/sports/Little_East/News/20120531Commissioners-Cup

[wordsmith]

Interesting Final Poll - 2 teams from the Little East make the final poll but not even a sniff for the LEC Regular Season AND Tourney Champ Southern Maine? What no love for the Muskies? Granted they had a poor non-conference record with some awful losses (dblhdr loss to Worcester St., 0-2 vs UMassB) but all the other losses were to quality or very high quality teams....BUT..... EConn did not even make the NCAAs and USM was 2-0 vs EConn, 3-0 vs Keene State, 1-0 vs Western New England. Just Sayn'

2012 D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 final
Through games of Wednesday May 30

# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
1 Marietta (25) 48-8 625 1
2 Wheaton (Mass.) 41-11 590 9
3 St. Thomas 41-10 580 4
4 Cortland State 41-9-1 552 2
5 Christopher Newport 34-10 506 6
6 Kean 37-12 480 8
7 Webster 36-14 449 -
8 Whitworth 31-16-1 447 -
9 Keystone 37-8 392 3
10 Birmingham-Southern 38-9 391 7
11 Salisbury 34-9 349 5
12 Adrian 37-10 270 10
13 Trinity (Texas) 37-12 266 15
14 St. Joseph's (Maine) 39-7 253 11
15 Concordia (Texas) 37-11 215 12
16 UW-La Crosse 34-11 212 13
17 Western New England 38-13 210 21
18 Shenandoah 31-13 165 20
19 Aurora 38-10 144 17
20 Washington and Jefferson 36-10 141 16
21 Misericordia 36-10 129 14
22 Trinity (Conn.) 34-11 128 24
23 Ramapo 35-15 113 -
24 UW-Whitewater 33-17 110 -
25 St. Scholastica 35-11 89 23

Dropped Out:No. 22  DePauw, No. 19 Lynchburg, No. 25 Texas-Tyler.

Also receiving votes: Rowan 68, St. John Fisher 59, Farmingdale State 51, Keene State 22, Lynchburg 21, Manchester 20, Texas-Tyler 14, DePauw 12, Eastern Connecticut 9, Alvernia 8, Illinois Wesleyan 7, Ithaca 6, Coe 5, Drew 5, North Park 4, Concordia (Ill.) 2, UW-Stevens Point 2, Rhodes 2, Montclair State 1, Chicago 1.

[hockeyfan77]

Pretty good article on the two Flaherty's



http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120613&content_id=33225732&vkey=news_bal&c_id=bal&fext=.jsp

[wordsmith]

Pretty good article on the two Flaherty's



http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120613&content_id=33225732&vkey=news_bal&c_id=bal&fext=.jsp

Indeed. I check the boxscores every evening to see if Ryan is playing. Peter Gammons says Showalter believes Ryan can be the startng 3rd baseman next year. That would be great.

[wordsmith]

Now that this news is public I can offically say Congrats to Marty Testo and good luck in your new role. Leland & Gray is lucky to be getting a great leader the likes of Marty.

http://www.reformer.com/localnews/ci_21439986/enjoying-hectic-start-new-director-oversee-leland-gray


Word

[ECSUalum]

Word, KSCFan, Kscer

Heard on "Eastern Athletics Weekly", (a new student run sports broadcast on LECTV), that one of Keene's catchers has "defected" to the Evil Empire, (or former EE as was stated earlier this year on this thread ).  So, is it Junior Matt Boulay, Soph. Chuck Vogt, or Junior Andrew Gummow??  I know Vogt is a pretty good defensive catcher, and started most of the season, however, his BA stat was a bit weak last year, while Boulay and Gummow hit well, but with limited at bats.  I see Vogt and Boulay are CT residents, Gummow from MA, so I would bet one of the former two.

MASS DEFECTIONS FROM KEENE TO EASTERN!!!!!!

[Old Man]

Word, KSCFan, Kscer

Heard on "Eastern Athletics Weekly", (a new student run sports broadcast on LECTV), that one of Keene's catchers has "defected" to the Evil Empire, (or former EE as was stated earlier this year on this thread  ).  So, is it Junior Matt Boulay, Soph. Chuck Vogt, or Junior Andrew Gummow??  I know Vogt is a pretty good defensive catcher, and started most of the season, however, his BA stat was a bit weak last year, while Boulay and Gummow hit well, but with limited at bats.  I see Vogt and Boulay are CT residents, Gummow from MA, so I would bet one of the former two.

MASS DEFECTIONS FROM KEENE TO EASTERN!!!!!!


I wonder where we can see this "Eastern Athletics Weekly",  just searched and didn't find it.  Probably a good move for whoever it is since the NEW EE is pretty darn good behind the dish.  Boulay caught most games until suffering a ruptiored tendion in glove hand in last game of regular season. Vogt caught some early on- 2nd games of DH's and palyed all over after that with about 120 AB's for a freshamn - very good amount of AB's as a FR. - avg of about .220 -NOT great and Gummow swings it well at about .390 in limited plate appearances.  Lets go LEC Baseball 2013

OM