MBB: NEWMAC

[Hugenerd]

I saw Biirrell play against WPI in the ECAC title game.  They held him to 2 for 10 and 8pts.  This from the team that could not handle the Wheaton guards, Kates, & Berthiaume, Brooks...etc.  I realize it was one game, but it is a fair assesment as far as common opponents go when looking at how he stacks up vs other guys.

Apparently that game doesn't count when it comes to all-region (see Pat's post above).

Pat, however, did mention SOS plays a role in extreme cases...Salve Regina's 0.458 may seem to fit that criteria (that puts them in the bottom 25% of the region in SOS).  Also, as I said before, shooting under 42% for the  season is not good in my opinion.   I also don't understand what the Hamilton players performance in the East region last year has anything to do with his performance in the NE this year?  I didn't realize there was any carryover between seasons for these awards. Tashman was all-region last year, his numbers improved overall, yet he was left off.  The arguments being made for some players and against others, and the criteria used in assessing players, does not seem consistent to me.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I saw Biirrell play against WPI in the ECAC title game.  They held him to 2 for 10 and 8pts.  This from the team that could not handle the Wheaton guards, Kates, & Berthiaume, Brooks...etc.  I realize it was one game, but it is a fair assesment as far as common opponents go when looking at how he stacks up vs other guys.

Apparently that game doesn't count when it comes to all-region (see Pat's post above).

Pat, however, did mention SOS plays a role in extreme cases...Salve Regina's 0.458 may seem to fit that criteria (that puts them in the bottom 25% of the region in SOS).  Also, as I said before, shooting under 42% for the  season is not good in my opinion.   I also don't understand what the Hamilton players performance in the East region last year has anything to do with his performance in the NE this year?  I didn't realize there was any carryover between seasons for these awards. Tashman was all-region last year, his numbers improved overall, yet he was left off.  The arguments being made for some players and against others, and the criteria used in assessing players, does not seem consistent to me.

I'm not sure who voted in the all-region rankings, but I know a number of the NE conference traditionally reward 4 year contributors in the post-season awards of their final season.  Birrell is a grad student, having played big minutes for Salve for four years now.  He literally took a lost team and won the CCC.  I suspect contributions to the team (and outside of FG% and a/t, his numbers were insane) made a difference.

That's why the all-american squad is generally a better gauge.  Pat does a good job seeing lots of teams and players.

[mass_d3fan]

"I'm not sure who voted in the all-region rankings, but I know a number of the NE conference traditionally reward 4 year contributors in the post-season awards of their final season.  Birrell is a grad student, having played big minutes for Salve for four years now.  He literally took a lost team and won the CCC.  I suspect contributions to the team (and outside of FG% and a/t, his numbers were insane) made a difference."

I don't have any problem with that being par tof the consideration process.  I think we all would just like to know more about what really is factored in and how the criteria are weighted. If you are goingto use what you described in Birrell's case, then surely the MIT supporters can scratch their heads wondering why importance to the team's success doesn't put him way up there.  My own opinion is if you give one guy the reins of the offense and let him shoot whenever he pleases (i.e. Brooks), then he is going to put up big numbers by defintion.  That does not mean he is a more qualifed candidate for a particular honor/award than a player on a different team whose is playingin on a more balanced team playing team ball.



HN

Yes, I realize that that game was not included, but apparently none of the NCAA tourney games are going to count for anything....
Or are they....

I was just using as a point of comparison Vs a common opponent (LOL -good comparison in my view since WPI's defense really did not change much at all during the season)

It does make you wonder what the process would be if every team had a guy like Daquan Brooks - Averaging 21.7 FGAs a game!

What would Hollinsworth, Carr, Kates, Karraker, Tashman, etc would have for a PPG if they were allowed to fire up that many FGAs a game?

Brooks 21.7
Thomas - 23.0
Ray Askew - 15.6


NEWMACs Top 10 Scorers with their Average FGM-FGAs

1  A Berthiaume     6.8-15.8 19.2 
2  N Hollingsworth  7.0-12.8 17.5 
3  M Carr  WPI      6.5-11.8 16.4 
4  G Marshall       5.6-12.4 15.7 
5  B Degnan         4.4-10.0 15.2 
6  M Kates          5.5-10.7 14.3 
7  M Coppola        5.5-10.4 14.0 
8  J Karraker       4.4-9.6  13.0 
9  T Curley         4.2-9.7  12.2 
10  W Tashman       4.3-7.9  11.4

Assuming no change in FG PCT and for simplicity sake lets just use 2pt FGs, lets adjust things so they all get to 15.8 FGAs


HollinsWorth 17.5 to 20.8
Carr         16.4 to 20.8
Marshall     15.7 to 18.8
Degnan       15.2 to 20.3
Kates        14.3 to 19.5
Coppola      14.0 to 19.7
Karraker     13.0 to 18.9
Curley       12.2 to 17.5
Tashman      11.4 to 20.0

Now obvious Karaker's would be more since he shoots the vast majority of his shots beyond the arc.  Others would increase because of 3pt FGs too, but this gives you an idea of the numbers they would put up if they were getting the same shots per game as Berthiaume.

Imagine the numbers some of these guys would have if they got FGAs like Brooks & Thomas!


Anyway.... More fuel for the fire......

[Hugenerd]

Video from CBS Boston:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6842513

[Pat Coleman]

Hugenerd:

While the MIT campus DOS attack on our poll might not have been meant as a joke, our treatment of it certainly was. Maybe you can't take a joke, but believe me, there's no anti-MIT sentiment here. I picked you guys on Hoopsville on Sunday night, for goodness sake.

[Pat Coleman]

You may know perhaps, and I know, but anyone who doesn't click through won't know ...

[Hugenerd]

The GZA visits MIT:

http://24wired.tv/33659/wu-tangs-gza-visits-mit-for-album-research/

In honor of Mike Dantoni's resignation, clip of him saying he needs an 'MIT guy' to go along with Jeremy Lin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-wKpZ3OCu8

[Pat Coleman]

You may know perhaps, and I know, but anyone who doesn't click through won't know ...

In that case, I would be more worried about about the NESN article than my post.  I dont think hugenerd has the same following as NESN.

That's why I posted the comment I did. Seemed like the right way to play it.

[Hugenerd]

You may know perhaps, and I know, but anyone who doesn't click through won't know ...

In that case, I would be more worried about about the NESN article than my post.  I dont think hugenerd has the same following as NESN.

That's why I posted the comment I did. Seemed like the right way to play it.

If we both know its a joke, I dont know why you're so upset with me for posting it...I am past caring about karma, but getting dinged 5-7 times is also somewhat amusing to me...I guess I hit a sore spot...

[Pat Coleman]

I can only hit you once. I'll give you that one back, though.

[Hugenerd]

Apparently some high interest from a top Washington State prep player, Justin Pedley, a 6'6" forward (article below).  The article is generally accurate, but apparently confused about a few points, for example MIT obviously did not offer Pedley a scholarship for athletics (offered him admission is probably more accurate):

http://www.northwestprepreport.com/pedley-bound-for-mit-brains-and-game-make-great-combo

He was named 2nd team all-state this year:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2017734507.html


Also interest from a player from Wisconsin:

http://host.madison.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/wiaa-state-boys-basketball-staffeil-is-norskies-no-guy/article_cc84a344-6e34-11e1-af88-0019bb2963f4.html

[WPI89]

A little confused about whatever is going on that is or maybe isn't a joke................I can't keep up.  But I do not hat I have heard Pat refer to H-Nerd numerous times on Hoopsville - so I know there is love there!

Good luck to all NERDS tonight - be they Huge or Small or somewhere in-between.  Go Engineers!

[Hugenerd]

A little confused about whatever is going on that is or maybe isn't a joke................I can't keep up.  But I do not hat I have heard Pat refer to H-Nerd numerous times on Hoopsville - so I know there is love there!

Good luck to all NERDS tonight - be they Huge or Small or somewhere in-between.  Go Engineers!

Actually, that had nothing to do with me.

Apparently someone at MIT hacked the d3hoops.com front page poll (Question: 'Who do you think will win the men's championship?'), so that MIT would get a lot more votes than the other teams.  In response, Pat jokingly removed MIT as a choice, and put instead something along the lines of 'Anyone besides the ballot stuffers at MIT'.  Then, NESN got wind of this and, in response, ran an article on their website saying d3hoops.com was cheering against MIT (because there was no 'MIT' as a choice in the poll, not mentioning that originially MIT had been a choice).  I then posted a link to that article, saying that NESN had run an article about the anti-MIT sentiment of d3hoops (my post was just joking also, I thought it was funny how NESN spun it, which I since have deleted), and for some reason I got my karma dinged like 10 times for posting that link.  I would post the link again, but it doesn't appear people liked it  very much the first time, so you can google it and find it yourself if you would like.

[Pat Coleman]

A little confused about whatever is going on that is or maybe isn't a joke................I can't keep up.  But I do not hat I have heard Pat refer to H-Nerd numerous times on Hoopsville - so I know there is love there!

Good luck to all NERDS tonight - be they Huge or Small or somewhere in-between.  Go Engineers!

Actually, that's Dave. Dave hosts the show and I only appear once a week or so.

[Hugenerd]

Billy Bender in the starting lineups for MIT.