MBB: NEWMAC

warriorcat · November 15, 2016, 09:40:59 AM

Clark and Worcester St got an early start on the November 15 start date. They played at 12:00am with Clark taking a 77-74 victory.

Let the games begin.

WPI89 · November 15, 2016, 07:24:44 PM

That's awesome ^

falcons2010 · November 15, 2016, 09:07:00 PM

Babson opens the season with an impressive 101-81 victory over my falcons. Albertus had a 9 point lead in the second half but Babson's experience and cohesiveness, and of course talent, was too much for Albertus. Good luck to Babson the rest of the way they have a solid team.

Ps. Not sure who does the games for Babson but that guy is great. He was fair, informative, and entertaining! I could listen to him all day.

WPI89 · November 15, 2016, 10:35:12 PM

Good night for the NEWMAC. Good luck to Coack Oliver and your Falcons this year -Falcon!

WPI89 · November 19, 2016, 06:33:47 PM

Great win for WPI today!

gordonmann · November 23, 2016, 11:33:52 PM

Around the Nation debuts with a story about a guy you may have heard of at Babson.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/northeast/index

whyDiii · November 29, 2016, 10:04:19 AM

New to the boards here, but a longtime d3 follower in NE region! A lot of good storylines to follow in the region this year especially with the new 1-2-3 national rankings! Big game for WPI tonight against the Jumbos. Should be interesting to see if WPI can play Tufts tight as WPI looks like they could struggle this year a bit.

whyDiii · November 29, 2016, 10:32:45 AM

another thought on WPI.. rumor around the region is that WPI lost two returners who were expected to have good years for the Engineers. Obi Obiora and Jashanti Allen don't appear to be back due to never seeing eye to eye with Coach Bartley. Seems like Bartleys system may be starting to fail. Always sad when Coaches jerk players around like Bartley has done recently with guys like Karalis, Davis and Obi.Unfortunate stuff.

nescac1 · November 29, 2016, 10:50:49 AM

Thoughts (from a total outsider) on Bartley:

He has always impressed me as the coach who does the most with the least in the entire New England region. It's not easy to recruit AND to retain players to a technology-focused school -- just ask MIT. And unlike MIT, WPI is stuck in Worcester, which isn't anything close to the sort of draw that Boston is. A lot of talented guys just aren't going to consider you in the first place, and the heavy science workload will convince others that hoops isn't for them. WPI always has very good, but rarely overwhelming, talent and all they do is win 20 games and make the NCAA tourney every single year, no matter who they graduate. They also seem (until this year) to have done very well keeping players in the program for all four years -- and NO program keeps EVERYONE for all four years. No matter what, Bartley's teams fight like hell and play dogged defense. No one enjoys playing against them. I don't think you can judge him harshly based on what may be a total aberration of a few guys quietting.

That's why I'm not surprised at all to see Bartley's protege Cain have such instant success at Keene State -- Keene has always in my view done the least with the most, as they always have talent but rarely seem to play to their potential.

nescac1 · November 29, 2016, 02:54:45 PM

OK, wow. If what lukedunphy writes is true (and it may or may not be, you can't believe everything you read on the internet) I retract anything positive I had to say -- that is absolutely insane and I can understand being tough on young players to get the best out of them, but why in the heck would you EVER EVER have anything negative to say about graduating seniors who have busted their tails for four years? There is nothing whatsoever to be gained by doing so. That story sounds almost too crazy to be true ... WPI89, any comments

WPI89 · November 29, 2016, 04:34:36 PM

Ok

A few thoughts. Prefaced by, I do not have any inside info here. I communicate with the Sports info director (mostly by email) a few times a year and see and talk to Bartley once a year at the golf outing.

I was ready to rip Diii ...... out of his 9 posts - at least 7 have had something negative about WPI - even on the NESCAC board. When he says they are in for a rough year after starting 4-0 with a couple of quality wins.............its seems like there may be something personal going on? perhaps not and he really has some inside info on their imminent first collapse in 14 years...............

I never talk negatively about specific players on these boards and will not make an exception here. 2 players that were expected to see major minutes are not on the team this year. All I will add is that there are lots of reasons basketball players leave Engineering only schools. Problems with the coach is only one of those reasons.

I will say that I know for a fact that a similar rumor came up in the past about a player (a leading scorer type player) - and the rumors were so far from the truth as to be laughable.

As far as Modern family's first post - all I will say is i can not believe a word of that - sounds like nonsense.

Bartley's style - as I have said numerous times on this board - can wear on players - i think he gets every ounce of effort, every game they play.
Unfortunately that has left very little room in past years to 'step-up" come big tourney time. That has been and will be my biggest "criticism" of him.

Not looking to start any big back and forth - as i said - i do not have any info - whole thing just seems at worst contrived and at best over-blown.

My concern right now is if WPI can stop Tufts big man (Palleschi) tonight - not the above nonsense.

lukedunphy · November 29, 2016, 07:13:19 PM

I completely understand the skepticism of my post. Can't believe everything on the internet and all that. But I saw and read the letter myself. Take it as you will.

That being said I actually have a ton of respect for Bartley as a basketball mind. I think he's really good at what he does, there is a reason he has won 20 games for so many years in a row. Some of his defensive ideas are great. However he is very much a my way or the highway type guy, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your players.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · November 30, 2016, 08:11:37 AM

Quote from: lukedunphy on November 29, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
I completely understand the skepticism of my post. Can't believe everything on the internet and all that. But I saw and read the letter myself. Take it as you will.

That being said I actually have a ton of respect for Bartley as a basketball mind. I think he's really good at what he does, there is a reason he has won 20 games for so many years in a row. Some of his defensive ideas are great. However he is very much a my way or the highway type guy, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your players.

Scan the letter in and let us see it, otherwise it's probably best to leave it alone going forward.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · November 30, 2016, 11:49:24 AM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
Quote from: lukedunphy on November 29, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
I completely understand the skepticism of my post. Can't believe everything on the internet and all that. But I saw and read the letter myself. Take it as you will.

That being said I actually have a ton of respect for Bartley as a basketball mind. I think he's really good at what he does, there is a reason he has won 20 games for so many years in a row. Some of his defensive ideas are great. However he is very much a my way or the highway type guy, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your players.

Scan the letter in and let us see it, otherwise it's probably best to leave it alone going forward.

We do have rules about things like this... you are using quotes in your previous post... unless you have the letter, using quotes is risky business.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · November 30, 2016, 02:07:46 PM

Quote from: lukedunphy on November 29, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
New to posting here but I've been following these boards for a long time. The comments about Bartley made me want to comment. Bartley to me gets into trouble by riding his guys so hard that they end up quitting on him at the end of the season. Look up their NEWMAC playoff game vs MIT last year. They shot 42!!!! threes. And if you watched the game it was incredible. Whoever brought the ball up would just pull it from NBA range. He lost total control because his seniors didn't want to play for him anymore. And this was a team that was going to the NCAA tournament.

In addition I have a little inside information from ... [deleted]

I now have the letter in hand... and you have mis-characterized the letter in more ways than one. I am posting this response for now before reporting your comments to be deleted. You break rule number one of this boards, which you had to read through before being allowed an account.

For reference:

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