BB: CCIW: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[CCIWFAN6]

Looking at the box scores for IWU, noticed that all conference and all region 2nd baseman Brett Moore has been out of the lineup the last two games.  Does anyone know if he was injured and if he was the severity of the injury?  That is a big blow for this team if he is out for any significant time.

[DirtyJersey]

Looking at the box scores for IWU, noticed that all conference and all region 2nd baseman Brett Moore has been out of the lineup the last two games.  Does anyone know if he was injured and if he was the severity of the injury?  That is a big blow for this team if he is out for any significant time.

CCIWFAN,
Word around Bloomington is that Brett Moore, one of the most talented ballplayers in the conference has a bad hamstring, an injury which has been reoccurring for him in his career. He is questionable for their spring trip. Hopefully he can get back soon and remain healthy.

[REDMENFAN]

All in all, I think about what I expected for the Carthage spring trip.  With the competition they were playing, I figured they'd win 6-7 of their 10 ball games in Florida.  With two rained out, 5-3 is nothing to be upset over.  Looking at some statistics, its clear that new 1st baseman Aiello, who is talking the place of #3 hitter Lequia, can really swing the bat well.  Also, Nate Hughes had an outstanding trip.  Nate is a fifth year senior who was an all-conference middle linebacker on the football team and has not played baseball since high school.  Some key guys struggled at the plate a bit, but that is to be expected.  It appears the pitching depth may not be what it has been the past 3-4 seasons, but this years team should really be able to hit the ball well all the way through the batting order.  Looking forward to see how they do against St. Thomas and St. Johns over the weekend in the metrodome.

[DirtyJersey]

I expect Augustana to have 12 or 13 wins before heading into conference play. It must be nice to be able to go on 2 separate trips, but why don't they challenge themselves the way Carthage and IWU have been instead of beating up basically low-tier teams?

REDMENFAN, your boys sure can stick it! .347 as a team is excellent, especially playing such talented teams!!

[CCIWFAN6]

I expect Augustana to have 12 or 13 wins before heading into conference play. It must be nice to be able to go on 2 separate trips, but why don't they challenge themselves the way Carthage and IWU have been instead of beating up basically low-tier teams?

That seems to be the trend with Augustana the few years.  The last six years, their conference winning percentage is .616 (which is actually pretty good), however their non conference winning percentage is .765. The fact that they haven't been able to win a conference championship since 1974 leads me to believe they might want to change their strategy with scheduling. 

On a side note, the Titans have a tough opponent tonight in Millsaps.  The game will be streaming live @ http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College

[cubs]

So where does Wheaton figure in for the CCIW this year?  I see they split with Ripon yesterday, but who did they throw as far as their rotation?  Any help would be appreciated.

[TurtleHead]

So where does Wheaton figure in for the CCIW this year?  I see they split with Ripon yesterday, but who did they throw as far as their rotation?  Any help would be appreciated.

Wheaton was picked to come in 3rd in the CCIW.

They threw Dennison in the 1st game a 9-2 win for Wheaton.

Urbanowicz in the second game a 6-3 loss for Wheaton.

[cubs]

So where does Wheaton figure in for the CCIW this year?  I see they split with Ripon yesterday, but who did they throw as far as their rotation?  Any help would be appreciated.

Wheaton was picked to come in 3rd in the CCIW.

They threw Dennison in the 1st game a 9-2 win for Wheaton.

Urbanowicz in the second game a 6-3 loss for Wheaton.

I knew who they threw as far as names, but I was wondering where they figured in the rotation.  #1 and #2?  #3 and #4, etc??

[TurtleHead]

So where does Wheaton figure in for the CCIW this year?  I see they split with Ripon yesterday, but who did they throw as far as their rotation?  Any help would be appreciated.

Wheaton was picked to come in 3rd in the CCIW.

They threw Dennison in the 1st game a 9-2 win for Wheaton.

Urbanowicz in the second game a 6-3 loss for Wheaton.

I knew who they threw as far as names, but I was wondering where they figured in the rotation.  #1 and #2?  #3 and #4, etc??

Urbanowicz was the ace last year, but looks to be the #2 this year.  Not sure about Dennison, but appears to be 3.  They have only started 3 different pitchers this year so I am not sure who # 4 will be.

Trey Martin (A local kid from Wheaton North High School- Eat Crow Sager) appears to be the #1 this year. 

[The General Public]

Turtle.
I do not think you are correct.  Wheaton appears to have scheduled their starters so that Dennison and Urbanowicz started the regional games while Martin threw against non-regional opponents.  Look at the schedule...it also accounts for Martin's game 1 start.

[Gregory Sager]

Trey Martin (A local kid from Wheaton North High School- Eat Crow Sager) appears to be the #1 this year. 

I love your flair for understatement, TurtleHead.

The fact that Wheaton has a Wheaton North grad on the roster doesn't contradict anything that I've said in the past about Wheaton's base constituency, student profile, or predisposition to eschew the recruiting methods of its CCIW rivals. Wheaton has had many athletes (and many students in general) hail from Wheaton North High School over the years. Why? Because of three reasons that are closely related to each other.

First, Wheaton, IL is a very conservative suburb with a pronounced evangelical flavor to it. Evangelical Protestant churches are thick on the ground in and around Wheaton, and therefore the college's natural constituency can be found right at the doorstep of Blanchard Hall just as much as it can be found in Texas, Colorado, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, etc. Second, the college has a high profile in the local community, as one would expect from the fact that it is a nationally-famous institution that has been around for a century and a half. Third, Wheaton North, as the local public high school (it's two miles up Main Street from the WC campus), no doubt has many students who are related to either Wheaton College staff or to Wheaton College alumni.

If you're an evangelical kid who attends Wheaton North or Wheaton Academy (the local evangelical private high school, which also has an alumnus on this year's Wheaton baseball team), Wheaton is practically the default choice for college.

More importantly, did you take a good look at that Wheaton baseball roster? Twenty-four of the thirty members of the team are out-of-staters.

[RichK]

I'm not sure you can say Augustana is avoiding the competition.  Because of their early spring break, there aren't many options.  They were one of only a handful of teams in Winter Haven for the first few days.  Out of their 7 games, they did play Farmingdale who went to the World Series last year, Rose Hulman who is ranked, and Beloit who was in last years regionals.       

[TurtleHead]

Trey Martin (A local kid from Wheaton North High School- Eat Crow Sager) appears to be the #1 this year. 

I love your flair for understatement, TurtleHead.

The fact that Wheaton has a Wheaton North grad on the roster doesn't contradict anything that I've said in the past about Wheaton's base constituency, student profile, or predisposition to eschew the recruiting methods of its CCIW rivals. Wheaton has had many athletes (and many students in general) hail from Wheaton North High School over the years. Why? Because of three reasons that are closely related to each other.

First, Wheaton, IL is a very conservative suburb with a pronounced evangelical flavor to it. Evangelical Protestant churches are thick on the ground in and around Wheaton, and therefore the college's natural constituency can be found right at the doorstep of Blanchard Hall just as much as it can be found in Texas, Colorado, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, etc. Second, the college has a high profile in the local community, as one would expect from the fact that it is a nationally-famous institution that has been around for a century and a half. Third, Wheaton North, as the local public high school (it's two miles up Main Street from the WC campus), no doubt has many students who are related to either Wheaton College staff or to Wheaton College alumni.

If you're an evangelical kid who attends Wheaton North or Wheaton Academy (the local evangelical private high school, which also has an alumnus on this year's Wheaton baseball team), Wheaton is practically the default choice for college.

More importantly, did you take a good look at that Wheaton baseball roster? Twenty-four of the thirty members of the team are out-of-staters.

Nice to see you came over from the Basketball board.

Wheaton doesn't recruit locally, TurtleHead. It recruits nationally, as you can tell by the roster. The few local kids on the roster are student-athletes who match Wheaton's student profile, not baseball players who were recruited simply because of geographical proximity.

I am sure the coach never bothered to call the kid or the coach at Wheaton North about possible prospects.  He could also have parents who are alumni as well I will give you that.

Wheaton coach can't just show up at an event like the Stevenson Showcase and expect to make prospect contacts. It's just not a good use of his time. Nor is establishing contacts with local high school coaches, unless it's with the coach of a school like Wheaton Academy, Aurora Christian, Timothy Christian, Illiana Christian, etc.

All of these schools send athletes on their conference all-star teams to this showcase.  Trey was on the Dupage conference all-star team. 

Conferences who also send teams to the showcase Chicago Catholic Blue and White, East suburban Catholic.

With all the budget cuts going on at Wheaton I would think that a new coach to the area might want to set up ties with the local catholic league coaches.  This showcase provides an easy one stop shop to make the initial face to face.  If he truly is going to get the national kids anyway.  Why not go after some local kids who fit the schools profile. 

I will repeat my previous statement. "Plenty of talent around the Chicagoland area.   Specifically in Dupage county. "   

[BigG296]

I'm not sure you can say Augustana is avoiding the competition.  Because of their early spring break, there aren't many options.  They were one of only a handful of teams in Winter Haven for the first few days.  Out of their 7 games, they did play Farmingdale who went to the World Series last year, Rose Hulman who is ranked, and Beloit who was in last years regionals.       

Nobody is forcing them to go to Winter Haven....I'm sure they could easily schedule some good southern schools to go down and play.

[The General Public]

Trey Martin (A local kid from Wheaton North High School- Eat Crow Sager) appears to be the #1 this year. 

I love your flair for understatement, TurtleHead.

The fact that Wheaton has a Wheaton North grad on the roster doesn't contradict anything that I've said in the past about Wheaton's base constituency, student profile, or predisposition to eschew the recruiting methods of its CCIW rivals. Wheaton has had many athletes (and many students in general) hail from Wheaton North High School over the years. Why? Because of three reasons that are closely related to each other.

First, Wheaton, IL is a very conservative suburb with a pronounced evangelical flavor to it. Evangelical Protestant churches are thick on the ground in and around Wheaton, and therefore the college's natural constituency can be found right at the doorstep of Blanchard Hall just as much as it can be found in Texas, Colorado, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, etc. Second, the college has a high profile in the local community, as one would expect from the fact that it is a nationally-famous institution that has been around for a century and a half. Third, Wheaton North, as the local public high school (it's two miles up Main Street from the WC campus), no doubt has many students who are related to either Wheaton College staff or to Wheaton College alumni.

If you're an evangelical kid who attends Wheaton North or Wheaton Academy (the local evangelical private high school, which also has an alumnus on this year's Wheaton baseball team), Wheaton is practically the default choice for college.

More importantly, did you take a good look at that Wheaton baseball roster? Twenty-four of the thirty members of the team are out-of-staters.

Nice to see you came over from the Basketball board.

Wheaton doesn't recruit locally, TurtleHead. It recruits nationally, as you can tell by the roster. The few local kids on the roster are student-athletes who match Wheaton's student profile, not baseball players who were recruited simply because of geographical proximity.

I am sure the coach never bothered to call the kid or the coach at Wheaton North about possible prospects.  He could also have parents who are alumni as well I will give you that.

Wheaton coach can't just show up at an event like the Stevenson Showcase and expect to make prospect contacts. It's just not a good use of his time. Nor is establishing contacts with local high school coaches, unless it's with the coach of a school like Wheaton Academy, Aurora Christian, Timothy Christian, Illiana Christian, etc.

All of these schools send athletes on their conference all-star teams to this showcase.  Trey was on the Dupage conference all-star team. 

Conferences who also send teams to the showcase Chicago Catholic Blue and White, East suburban Catholic.

With all the budget cuts going on at Wheaton I would think that a new coach to the area might want to set up ties with the local catholic league coaches.  This showcase provides an easy one stop shop to make the initial face to face.  If he truly is going to get the national kids anyway.  Why not go after some local kids who fit the schools profile. 

I will repeat my previous statement. "Plenty of talent around the Chicagoland area.   Specifically in Dupage county. "   

Turtlehead, Trey is also the son of Wheaton golf coach Jay Martin which probably has more to do with his arrival at Wheaton than Trey's play at Stevenson.  There are two other players on Wheaton's roster who also played at Stevenson and I know for a fact that neither one of them was discovered at Stevenson by Wheaton. 

Sure those conferences may be represented at Stevenson but the fact of the matter is that players on those conferences teams likely would not fit the mold at Wheaton.  From my knowledge of Notre Dame (Niles) high school's baseball team, very few of them were practicing "Evangelical" christians which is what the typical student body consists of at Wheaton College, with less than 3% of their student body being Catholic.