FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[JT]

Here is the Rowan v Bridgewater State (NEFC) boxscore.

Take a hard look NJAC...
This was a game between an 8-2 Rowan team and a 7-3 Bridgewater team

Bridgewater matched up just fine in this one.  The disparity you mentioned is not so real for the top half of the NEFC (18 team league)

Rowan Punted 7 times this day
Rowan looked aweful on 3rd downs
Rowan did not make many first downs
Take a hard look.

This is the only comparison we have between the NJAC and NEFC....

                            Team Statistics (Final)
                        2008 NCAA Division III Football
    Rowan University vs Bridgewater State (Sep 06, 2008 at Bridgewater, MA)

                                    ROW      BSC

FIRST DOWNS...................       13       18
  Rushing.....................        9        4
  Passing.....................        3       10
  Penalty.....................        1        4
NET YARDS RUSHING.............      147       67
  Rushing Attempts............       42       39
  Average Per Rush............      3.5      1.7
  Rushing Touchdowns..........        1        1
  Yards Gained Rushing........      172      119
  Yards Lost Rushing..........       25       52
NET YARDS PASSING.............       87      223
  Completions-Attempts-Int....   8-18-0  13-34-2
  Average Per Attempt.........      4.8      6.6
  Average Per Completion......     10.9     17.2
  Passing Touchdowns..........        2        1
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS...........      234      290
  Total offense plays.........       60       73
  Average Gain Per Play.......      3.9      4.0
Fumbles: Number-Lost..........      1-0      4-2
Penalties: Number-Yards.......     6-76     5-30
PUNTS-YARDS...................    7-261    5-143
  Average Yards Per Punt......     37.3     28.6
  Net Yards Per Punt..........     30.9     26.4
  Inside 20...................        1        1
  50+ Yards...................        0        0
  Touchbacks..................        0        0
  Fair catch..................        1        0
KICKOFFS-YARDS................    4-273    2-106
  Average Yards Per Kickoff...     68.2     53.0
  Net Yards Per Kickoff.......     49.0     19.0
  Touchbacks..................        1        0
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD.   2-11-0   5-45-0
  Average Per Return..........      5.5      9.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD   2-68-0   3-57-0
  Average Per Return..........     34.0     19.0
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD..    2-0-0    0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD.    0-0-0    0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards...........        0        0
Possession Time...............    28:17    31:43
  1st Quarter.................     5:55     9:05
  2nd Quarter.................     7:33     7:27
  3rd Quarter.................     4:54    10:06
  4th Quarter.................     9:55     5:05
Third-Down Conversions........  3 of 13  9 of 18
Fourth-Down Conversions.......   1 of 2   1 of 2
Red-Zone Scores-Chances.......      3-4      1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards........     5-29     3-21
PAT Kicks.....................      3-3      2-2
Field Goals...................      1-2      0-1

That included a Rowan quarterback in his first game at that position, 55 new players, a new DC and other stuff. So you had a kid that had not played QB since HS three years ago, plus many new players etc., etc.,

Rowan would blow BSC's doors off now.  They just beat TCNJ 42-3, and TCNJ would beat BSC by 21+.

[PBR...]

Here is the Rowan v Bridgewater State (NEFC) boxscore.

Take a hard look NJAC...
This was a game between an 8-2 Rowan team and a 7-3 Bridgewater team

Bridgewater matched up just fine in this one.  The disparity you mentioned is not so real for the top half of the NEFC (18 team league)

Rowan Punted 7 times this day
Rowan looked aweful on 3rd downs
Rowan did not make many first downs
Take a hard look.

This is the only comparison we have between the NJAC and NEFC....

                            Team Statistics (Final)
                        2008 NCAA Division III Football
    Rowan University vs Bridgewater State (Sep 06, 2008 at Bridgewater, MA)

                                    ROW      BSC

FIRST DOWNS...................       13       18
  Rushing.....................        9        4
  Passing.....................        3       10
  Penalty.....................        1        4
NET YARDS RUSHING.............      147       67
  Rushing Attempts............       42       39
  Average Per Rush............      3.5      1.7
  Rushing Touchdowns..........        1        1
  Yards Gained Rushing........      172      119
  Yards Lost Rushing..........       25       52
NET YARDS PASSING.............       87      223
  Completions-Attempts-Int....   8-18-0  13-34-2
  Average Per Attempt.........      4.8      6.6
  Average Per Completion......     10.9     17.2
  Passing Touchdowns..........        2        1
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS...........      234      290
  Total offense plays.........       60       73
  Average Gain Per Play.......      3.9      4.0
Fumbles: Number-Lost..........      1-0      4-2
Penalties: Number-Yards.......     6-76     5-30
PUNTS-YARDS...................    7-261    5-143
  Average Yards Per Punt......     37.3     28.6
  Net Yards Per Punt..........     30.9     26.4
  Inside 20...................        1        1
  50+ Yards...................        0        0
  Touchbacks..................        0        0
  Fair catch..................        1        0
KICKOFFS-YARDS................    4-273    2-106
  Average Yards Per Kickoff...     68.2     53.0
  Net Yards Per Kickoff.......     49.0     19.0
  Touchbacks..................        1        0
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD.   2-11-0   5-45-0
  Average Per Return..........      5.5      9.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD   2-68-0   3-57-0
  Average Per Return..........     34.0     19.0
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD..    2-0-0    0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD.    0-0-0    0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards...........        0        0
Possession Time...............    28:17    31:43
  1st Quarter.................     5:55     9:05
  2nd Quarter.................     7:33     7:27
  3rd Quarter.................     4:54    10:06
  4th Quarter.................     9:55     5:05
Third-Down Conversions........  3 of 13  9 of 18
Fourth-Down Conversions.......   1 of 2   1 of 2
Red-Zone Scores-Chances.......      3-4      1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards........     5-29     3-21
PAT Kicks.....................      3-3      2-2
Field Goals...................      1-2      0-1

have to agree w/ jt as rowan would monkeystomp bridgewater now not even close.... rowan had so many changes at the beginning of the season it took them a few games to gel and are lightyears ahead of where they were in the beginning of the season.

[JT]

Even Morrisville isn't that bad.  They've got some playmakers, but their oline and dline are suspect and have no depth on top of it.  If the coach can mine his area, he could build something quite formidable.  There's plenty of talent in the Morrisville area.

[mel]

More fuel on my fire..

Rowans season lows for 1st downs was 12 v Kean
Second lowest of the year was the 13 to BSU

Rowans season low for total yards was 226 v Kean
second lowest of the year was the 232 to BSU

Look at Rowans boxscores people....these are facts

The entire east is closer than people realize.
The old guard has been drawn closer to the middle.

[mel]

I get it..

Rowan is allowed to imporve as the season goes on.

Bridgewater is not.  That is how you want to see it that is fine.

[Knightstalker]

Mel, Bridgewater would get blown out by Rowan, Cortland, MSU, Kean, TCNJ, WPU, B-port and possibly Buffalo St.  The NEFC is not comparable to the NJAC, E8, LL or MAC.  The NEFC best two teams, Plymouth St and DSB, or Curry would be sub .500 most likely in all 4 of those conferences.  To compare Rowans stats against Kean to Rowans stats in the first game of the season against a HS team is rediculous.  Now go back into hiding and come out again for two or three posts next year.

[clandfan]

NJAC got jobbed.  There is no question about it.  I was of the mindset that a 10 team conference would benefit all involved and, as it turns out it was a detriment because we (NJAC) get hosed.  Because there is no room to play more than one OOC game the strength of the conference has somehow been diminished? I don't buy it.  I have seen LL and NEFC and E8 and I will put any NJAC team in those leagues and they will be very competetive and the Rowans, Montclairs, Keans and Cortlands of the world would be competetive for conference titles.  

There may be some issues with East football  in general(and that is subject to argument) but I won't accept for a minute that the NJAC is a weak sister to any of other East Conferences.  The Committee mailed it in.  They did not do their job.

[Knightstalker]

No East teams are really deserving of C bids this season, they all shat the bed when they had their chances.

[Bombers798891]

NJAC got jobbed.  There is no question about it.  I was of the mindset that a 10 team conference would benefit all involved and, as it turns out it was a detriment because we (NJAC) get hosed.  Because there is no room to play more than one OOC game the strength of the conference has somehow been diminished? I don't buy it.  I have seen LL and NEFC and E8 and I will put any NJAC team in those leagues and they will be very competetive and the Rowans, Montclairs, Keans and Cortlands of the world would be competetive for conference titles.  

There may be some issues with East football  in general(and that is subject to argument) but I won't accept for a minute that the NJAC is a weak sister to any of other East Conferences.  The Committee mailed it in.  They did not do their job.

That's the problem though...we can't tell how good they are, but for the one OOC game. The only NJAC teams that have played E8 teams recently were Brockport, Buffalo State and Cortland, and the results haven't been too encouraging. When the best team in the NJAC losses by 22 to it's only ooc team, you have to wonder if the team was as good as their conference play indicated

[mel]

Ok, I will go away.  I have not stated that BSU would be NJAC champ.
BSU would not be a bottom feeder in the NJAC.  
They have an undergrad enrollment of 7,800.

My position lies in the numbers.

If Rowan was so powerful they should have destroyed BSU, regardless of experience or inexperience ...they could not.  

[PBR...]

Ok, I will go away.  I have not stated that BSU would be NJAC champ.
BSU would not be a bottom feeder in the NJAC.  
They have an undergrad enrollment of 7,800.

My position lies in the numbers.

If Rowan was so powerful they should have destroyed BSU, regardless of experience or inexperience ...they could not.  

we stated the reasons why they did not...it was a transition year for rowan. rowan is no where near as strong as the oriheil years but they are still light years ahead of bsu...geez your like a poodle nipping and yapping at people ankles all day long...

[pg04]

NJAC got jobbed.  There is no question about it.  I was of the mindset that a 10 team conference would benefit all involved and, as it turns out it was a detriment because we (NJAC) get hosed.  Because there is no room to play more than one OOC game the strength of the conference has somehow been diminished? I don't buy it.  I have seen LL and NEFC and E8 and I will put any NJAC team in those leagues and they will be very competetive and the Rowans, Montclairs, Keans and Cortlands of the world would be competetive for conference titles.  

There may be some issues with East football  in general(and that is subject to argument) but I won't accept for a minute that the NJAC is a weak sister to any of other East Conferences.  The Committee mailed it in.  They did not do their job.

That's the problem though...we can't tell how good they are, but for the one OOC game. The only NJAC teams that have played E8 teams recently were Brockport, Buffalo State and Cortland, and the results haven't been too encouraging. When the best team in the NJAC losses by 22 to it's only ooc team, you have to wonder if the team was as good as their conference play indicated

Brockport didn't play an E8 team this year but I suspect if they had it would have been Ithaca or Fisher and I suggest they'd probably lose both those games.  However, the two 4th place teams go at it as Brockport plays Hartwick this weekend so we could possibly see at least how these two teams match up. 

[Bombers798891]

NJAC got jobbed.  There is no question about it.  I was of the mindset that a 10 team conference would benefit all involved and, as it turns out it was a detriment because we (NJAC) get hosed.  Because there is no room to play more than one OOC game the strength of the conference has somehow been diminished? I don't buy it.  I have seen LL and NEFC and E8 and I will put any NJAC team in those leagues and they will be very competetive and the Rowans, Montclairs, Keans and Cortlands of the world would be competetive for conference titles.  

There may be some issues with East football  in general(and that is subject to argument) but I won't accept for a minute that the NJAC is a weak sister to any of other East Conferences.  The Committee mailed it in.  They did not do their job.

That's the problem though...we can't tell how good they are, but for the one OOC game. The only NJAC teams that have played E8 teams recently were Brockport, Buffalo State and Cortland, and the results haven't been too encouraging. When the best team in the NJAC losses by 22 to it's only ooc team, you have to wonder if the team was as good as their conference play indicated

Brockport didn't play an E8 team this year but I suspect if they had it would have been Ithaca or Fisher and I suggest they'd probably lose both those games.  However, the two 4th place teams go at it as Brockport plays Hartwick this weekend so we could possibly see at least how these two teams match up. 

That's why I said recently...they were destroyed by SJF and IC the last two seasons and went 1-1 against Springfield, sqeaking out a 1 point win against a 4-6 Pride last season

[clandfan]

And to any who want to point to the Cortaca game...it came down to Cortland execution and many of us are questioning coaching (for the first time in a long time).  Yes Ithaca outplayed Cortland, all due props to them.  Consider, however, Cortland had three balls intercepted in the endzone and one on the 5 yd line.  With 5 turnovers in total.  Cortland had plenty of opportunities.  Giuliano looked like he could have run all day and inexplicably we don't give him the ball inside the 30 yd line. The "blowout" is not as one-sided as the score would appear.  Our defense is another issue.  Ithaca took advantage of our defensive liabilities and we will have to adjust if we hope to be competitive with them, given the opportunity to meet again in two weeks.  We have to get by Plymouth State first.  I have to believe that we will see an awakend Cortland team.

[pg04]

NJAC got jobbed.  There is no question about it.  I was of the mindset that a 10 team conference would benefit all involved and, as it turns out it was a detriment because we (NJAC) get hosed.  Because there is no room to play more than one OOC game the strength of the conference has somehow been diminished? I don't buy it.  I have seen LL and NEFC and E8 and I will put any NJAC team in those leagues and they will be very competetive and the Rowans, Montclairs, Keans and Cortlands of the world would be competetive for conference titles.  

There may be some issues with East football  in general(and that is subject to argument) but I won't accept for a minute that the NJAC is a weak sister to any of other East Conferences.  The Committee mailed it in.  They did not do their job.

That's the problem though...we can't tell how good they are, but for the one OOC game. The only NJAC teams that have played E8 teams recently were Brockport, Buffalo State and Cortland, and the results haven't been too encouraging. When the best team in the NJAC losses by 22 to it's only ooc team, you have to wonder if the team was as good as their conference play indicated

Brockport didn't play an E8 team this year but I suspect if they had it would have been Ithaca or Fisher and I suggest they'd probably lose both those games.  However, the two 4th place teams go at it as Brockport plays Hartwick this weekend so we could possibly see at least how these two teams match up. 

That's why I said recently...they were destroyed by SJF and IC the last two seasons and went 1-1 against Springfield, sqeaking out a 1 point win against a 4-6 Pride last season

It's not too fair a comparison though as those Brockport teams were 5-5 and 4-6* ... They weren't at the top of anything..