FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[Jonny Utah]

Check out the boondoggle out at East Rutherford (which one you might ask), not Xanadu, but the Cherokee project to fill in all that swampland on the other side of Rte 3.  Even the metropolitan center, which is a very nice building, should never have been built and the +/- 30% vacancy rate (north of 20% in 2006, "the good times") is proof of that. 

That's something like $3Bn in taxpayer bucks out the door.  How about Kushner?  Or anything in Jersey City.

The guy I'm helping is constructing an apartment project in Union City and he was sued by a concerned citizen, along with 35 other projects out of concern that variances were handed out in exchange for consideration.  I don't know about the others, but my guy is legitimately clean and he gets hurt by the mere perception.

I take 80 through the Pocono's to head upstate (family in Binghamton).  Not a bad drive, but once you get past Mt. Olive, don't bother getting off and make sure you have gas until you get into PA or you are screwed. 

New Jersey used to be corporate friendly, and a good alternative to the tammany hall tactics of NYC.  But the taxes are through the roof: property taxes are among the highest in the country.  More and more producers are leaving the state. I will be one in the next few years.  I will not pay for someone else's debt long term.  I'll find a nice red state to raise my kids.

Why are the taxes so high down in NY and NJ?  My cousin lives in Westchester County and bought a house a few years ago somewhere in the range of like 250K-300K and he pays like 15K in real estate taxes, water and other town fees.  Some people up here in MA think they have it bad.

Proximity to NY is the main reason I believe.  Also the location.  Westchester is regoddamndiculus for taxes as is Bergen in NJ, but in NY Rockland is right next to Westchester and is a hell of a lot cheaper and just as nice.  NJ Passiac and Sussex counties are right next to Bergen and for the most part cheaper.   KS has been looking at Rockland and Sussex counties, KS is leaning toward Rockland, due to things like car insurance and easy access to the train to the city.

Yea but doesnt the real estate tax go right to the town or city?  NYC wouldn't see any of that money and I would think income taxes would be the ones going to NYC transit, infrastructure, transportation and other regional things that would have an impact on or from a large city.

[Knightstalker]

Check out the boondoggle out at East Rutherford (which one you might ask), not Xanadu, but the Cherokee project to fill in all that swampland on the other side of Rte 3.  Even the metropolitan center, which is a very nice building, should never have been built and the +/- 30% vacancy rate (north of 20% in 2006, "the good times") is proof of that. 

That's something like $3Bn in taxpayer bucks out the door.  How about Kushner?  Or anything in Jersey City.

The guy I'm helping is constructing an apartment project in Union City and he was sued by a concerned citizen, along with 35 other projects out of concern that variances were handed out in exchange for consideration.  I don't know about the others, but my guy is legitimately clean and he gets hurt by the mere perception.

I take 80 through the Pocono's to head upstate (family in Binghamton).  Not a bad drive, but once you get past Mt. Olive, don't bother getting off and make sure you have gas until you get into PA or you are screwed. 

New Jersey used to be corporate friendly, and a good alternative to the tammany hall tactics of NYC.  But the taxes are through the roof: property taxes are among the highest in the country.  More and more producers are leaving the state. I will be one in the next few years.  I will not pay for someone else's debt long term.  I'll find a nice red state to raise my kids.

Why are the taxes so high down in NY and NJ?  My cousin lives in Westchester County and bought a house a few years ago somewhere in the range of like 250K-300K and he pays like 15K in real estate taxes, water and other town fees.  Some people up here in MA think they have it bad.

Proximity to NY is the main reason I believe.  Also the location.  Westchester is regoddamndiculus for taxes as is Bergen in NJ, but in NY Rockland is right next to Westchester and is a hell of a lot cheaper and just as nice.  NJ Passiac and Sussex counties are right next to Bergen and for the most part cheaper.   KS has been looking at Rockland and Sussex counties, KS is leaning toward Rockland, due to things like car insurance and easy access to the train to the city.

Yea but doesnt the real estate tax go right to the town or city?  NYC wouldn't see any of that money and I would think income taxes would be the ones going to NYC transit, infrastructure, transportation and other regional things that would have an impact on or from a large city.

The property taxes go to the town you live in, but the location helps to boost those taxes.  I wouldn't even try to figure out why, it would give me a migraine.  Are the taxes in MA higher in the counties within commuting distance to Boston as compared to other counties?  I would think while what people pay is different state to state, but that the taxes closer to major metro areas are higher than further away.  Why?  I think mostly because the towns can get away with it.  Someone doesn't like it and moves out, someone else will move right in and pay the taxes.

[Jonny Utah]

It depends on the town.  Some of the richest towns like Netwon, Wellesley, Brookline or Needham have low tax rates because they have around 50 thousand people or more.  Smaller rich towns like Sudbury, Weston or Concord have higher tax rates.

It also depends on the school system and the reputation.

Also towns with large industrial or commercial tax bases have lower real estate taxes.  And MA has a high sales tax (going up to 6.25 if the vote comes through) and a 3% income tax that goes back to the cities and towns as well.

I guess I just wondered if the people in Weschester get the same services that I would in my town or the surrounding towns.  Maybe people down there pay less in sales and income tax?

[Knightstalker]

NJ sales tax is 7% I believe, it keeps going up.  In areas like Jersey City it is half the state sales tax.  They call it an urban enterprise zone.  I know in Bergen county NJ most of the school systems and town facilities are very good.  It is a good place to live, but you do get some bang for your buck.  I am not sure about NY, they have screwy taxes.

[Jonny Utah]

NJ sales tax is 7% I believe, it keeps going up.  In areas like Jersey City it is half the state sales tax.  They call it an urban enterprise zone.  I know in Bergen county NJ most of the school systems and town facilities are very good.  It is a good place to live, but you do get some bang for your buck.  I am not sure about NY, they have screwy taxes.

Yea New Hampshire has no sales tax (and probably double the real estate taxes) so a lot of border towns in MA are angry because people will be heading north for many large items to save on taxes.  There was talk to ease up tax rates on border towns like they did with selling booze a few years back (MA did not sell on Sundays while NH did and people would just go up there and load up)

[Knightstalker]

NYC has tried repeatedly to nail people coming to Jersey to buy clothes, shoes, groceries etc because these items are not taxed.

[Jonny Utah]

MA tried to do the same thing to New Hampshire.  Massachusetts wanted to tax Ma residents that went to NH and bought products from national chains that have stores in MA and wanted the company to ask customers where they lived so MA could tax them!  Its insane.

[Knightstalker]

If you don't want your residents spending their money in other states because they have friendlier sales taxes do something about your taxes.

[AUKaz00]

I take 80 through the Pocono's to head upstate (family in Binghamton).  Not a bad drive, but once you get past Mt. Olive, don't bother getting off and make sure you have gas until you get into PA or you are screwed. 

I know you're moving south, but unless I'm coming from lower Manhattan, SI or Brooklyn I find that taking rt 4 to 17 to the thruway and back onto 17 is faster than driving out through Scranton.  Plus there is a lot less traffic, particularly rigs that way.  Just a thought.

[Knightstalker]

I take 80 through the Pocono's to head upstate (family in Binghamton).  Not a bad drive, but once you get past Mt. Olive, don't bother getting off and make sure you have gas until you get into PA or you are screwed. 

I know you're moving south, but unless I'm coming from lower Manhattan, SI or Brooklyn I find that taking rt 4 to 17 to the thruway and back onto 17 is faster than driving out through Scranton.  Plus there is a lot less traffic, particularly rigs that way.  Just a thought.

I would shoot up 287 from 80 to the thruway.  The other quick way is Parkway to thruway, avoids the 17 backups.

[clandfan]

Sure will be nice when we have some FOOTBALL to talk about. 

[rams1102]

Sure will be nice when we have some FOOTBALL to talk about. 

I agree. You guys have a lot to look forward to with the Jets coming to Cortland. This board will be quiet for quite some time. You would think with Iona getting rid of football there would be a lot of NJAC teams fighting over the Iona talent, but nothing. I think Montclair willo have a tough year if Fisher is the QB. I would like to be proved wrong. With our "D" taking a hit the "O" has to step up. Throwing lolly-pops just won't do it. Anyway, looking forward to seeing you guys at Sam Mills Field this year. Also looking forward to having some fun with the Pick- Em's this year.

[pumkinattack]

I take 80 through the Pocono's to head upstate (family in Binghamton).  Not a bad drive, but once you get past Mt. Olive, don't bother getting off and make sure you have gas until you get into PA or you are screwed. 

I know you're moving south, but unless I'm coming from lower Manhattan, SI or Brooklyn I find that taking rt 4 to 17 to the thruway and back onto 17 is faster than driving out through Scranton.  Plus there is a lot less traffic, particularly rigs that way.  Just a thought.

I used to do that drive (coming from upper east side), but it's littered with land mines, tons of cops on 17 (especially within 20 mi of Liberty) and once had minor accident with deer and would see them all the time.  Plus I don't love the four way interesections with a light on a highway.  The NJ to PA to Binghamton route, I cruise through Jersey with just a couple of pockets of traffic, take it easy through the poconos and then its off to the races for 380 to 81 to home. 

Making that trip for the final time, presumably ever, the first week in June to get all excess stuff we stored at my mother's house - particularly a ton of cool looking and seemingly useful, but ultimately a waste of space, kitchen equipment we got as wedding gifts last summer.  We've got this professional mixer that weighs more than two bowling balls so she can use it twice a year? 

[andrew2]

I think TCNJ "the college of new jersey" is ready for a nother impressive season. Last year was rough, but we had a big shake up with the entire coaching staff.

TCNJ players are good athletes, the combination is deadly!

[clandfan]

Sure will be nice when we have some FOOTBALL to talk about. 

I agree. You guys have a lot to look forward to with the Jets coming to Cortland. This board will be quiet for quite some time. You would think with Iona getting rid of football there would be a lot of NJAC teams fighting over the Iona talent, but nothing. I think Montclair willo have a tough year if Fisher is the QB. I would like to be proved wrong. With our "D" taking a hit the "O" has to step up. Throwing lolly-pops just won't do it. Anyway, looking forward to seeing you guys at Sam Mills Field this year. Also looking forward to having some fun with the Pick- Em's this year.

I'm in on the pick-ems.  The entire community is excited about the Jets.  I can't help but think that there will be long term benefits to our program.  We will see how it goes.  I know that there are some internships available and expect we will have several of the boys here earlier to work / volunteer / intern at camp.

Like you...I am very curious to see how our offense comes around after a huge graduation toll.  Looking forward to our trip to Sam Mills.