FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[clandfan]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

I have not caught up on the entire thread so forgive me Johnny and others if the point has been made.  Montclair, prior to the Cortland game had scored 219 pts to opponents 57.  They beat Morrisville 42-6 and WConn 31-3.  Me thinks Johnny should do his homework before making such statements.

No, I'm still not impressed with Montclairs season.  A top 10 team would beat the bottom four of the NJAC by a combined score of 200-14.  

They can prove me wrong by not losing by 42 points to MUC which I think they would.  Then I will buy everyone here a beer.  

Jonny Poduck = Jonny the Magician...watch me pull numbers out fo thin air.  You were wrong on MSU not blowing NJAC teams out.  Your DI stats  on Mich. St, Okla and Missou were horrendous and now a blowout has to be 40 points or wait...4 or 5 touchdowns (28-35 points btw) .   Do another magic trick Jonny...disappear.  A good magician will make himself disappear on the first try.  I bet you are still here after 4 or 5.  Where do I get these numbers?  Same place as you.

[clandfan]

Cool, I am good friends with his brother Tim...Good family, yeah Ithaca and MSU will always be a war and sometimes emotions get the better of everyone, one hell of of team though, I played them in 01 and 03. I playe in a co-ed kickball league in Hoboken (don't laugh, tons of girls) one of the kids on my team played WR at Ithaca and we often joke around and say if our coaches could only see us now MSU and Ithaca together hahah...


Didn't Kean come very very close to beating Cortland?

Yea there are 11 NJ kids on the Ithaca roster which is decent I guess (probably better to have 15 at least).  I noticed there is a kid from Verona which is where Roach was from but I could be wrong.

Probably better to have 15 kids from NJ as opposed to 11.....wtf??  more magic...where do you get this stuff?  Why not 10  or 12 or 22?

[Jonny Utah]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

I have not caught up on the entire thread so forgive me Johnny and others if the point has been made.  Montclair, prior to the Cortland game had scored 219 pts to opponents 57.  They beat Morrisville 42-6 and WConn 31-3.  Me thinks Johnny should do his homework before making such statements.

No, I'm still not impressed with Montclairs season.  A top 10 team would beat the bottom four of the NJAC by a combined score of 200-14.  

They can prove me wrong by not losing by 42 points to MUC which I think they would.  Then I will buy everyone here a beer.  

Jonny Poduck = Jonny the Magician...watch me pull numbers out fo thin air.  You were wrong on MSU not blowing NJAC teams out.  Your DI stats  on Mich. St, Okla and Missou were horrendous and now a blowout has to be 40 points or wait...4 or 5 touchdowns (28-35 points btw) .   Do another magic trick Jonny...disappear.  A good magician will make himself disappear on the first try.  I bet you are still here after 4 or 5.  Where do I get these numbers?  Same place as you.

numbers out of thin air?  I don't know how long you have followed d3 football, but the best teams in the country usually have some 50 point wins.  Go look at the past national champions and see how they do during the regular season.  If you play Buffalo State, Morrisville, and Brockport this year and cant score 50 points in one of those games, it is my opinion that you may not be ready to score against a top 15 team.  Again, we will just wait and see.

[Jonny Utah]

Cool, I am good friends with his brother Tim...Good family, yeah Ithaca and MSU will always be a war and sometimes emotions get the better of everyone, one hell of of team though, I played them in 01 and 03. I playe in a co-ed kickball league in Hoboken (don't laugh, tons of girls) one of the kids on my team played WR at Ithaca and we often joke around and say if our coaches could only see us now MSU and Ithaca together hahah...


Didn't Kean come very very close to beating Cortland?

Yea there are 11 NJ kids on the Ithaca roster which is decent I guess (probably better to have 15 at least).  I noticed there is a kid from Verona which is where Roach was from but I could be wrong.

Probably better to have 15 kids from NJ as opposed to 11.....wtf??  more magic...where do you get this stuff?  Why not 10  or 12 or 22?

I know you went to Cortland but listen up.  NJ has good high school football.  Ithaca has 11 New Jersey kids on their roster.  Ithaca might be better off with 15 NJ kids on their roster.

[Jonny Utah]

Oh sorry cland.  I probably should mention that 15>11.

[clandfan]

Now its 50 point wins....jumped right over 45....50>45.  Why not 48?  Of course NJ has good HS football...why 15?  why not 14....watch this...14>10.   OR why not 17.  careful now.....15<17.  Wouldn't 17 be better?  Thin air Jonny....poof!

[Jonny Utah]

Now its 50 point wins....jumped right over 45....50>45.  Why not 48?  Of course NJ has good HS football...why 15?  why not 14....watch this...14>10.   OR why not 17.  careful now.....15<17.  Wouldn't 17 be better?  Thin air Jonny....poof!

You are taking this way to literal.  The point is none of us here get to see a lot of d3football games so part of what we go on are comparative scores.  Past experience tells me that when teams blowout other teams (55-0, 33-3, 70-17, 39-9, etc) they have an offense that can compete on a national scale.  Montclair simply has not shown that this year in my opinion. 

[clandfan]

In your opinion....that is much better and I can accept that.   I respectfully disagree but recognize your right to have an opinion. 

In my opinion a dominating performance does not have to be reflected in the score and offense is only part of the game.  Montclair's defense ( as has Cortland's) has dominated games.  They don't need to score 40 or 50 points more than another team to dominate and for the majority of the NJAC schedule they have.  Same with Cortland....three shutouts in a row over poor teams.  Up by 28 points at halftime.  They pull their QB and skilled players in the second half.  That's not dominant?  In my opinion....you are placing too much emphasis on a number as opposed to a performance.  Numbers don't tell the whole story.

[Jonny Utah]

In your opinion....that is much better and I can accept that.   I respectfully disagree but recognize your right to have an opinion. 

In my opinion a dominating performance does not have to be reflected in the score and offense is only part of the game.  Montclair's defense ( as has Cortland's) has dominated games.  They don't need to score 40 or 50 points more than another team to dominate and for the majority of the NJAC schedule they have.  Same with Cortland....three shutouts in a row over poor teams.  Up by 28 points at halftime.  They pull their QB and skilled players in the second half.  That's not dominant?  In my opinion....you are placing too much emphasis on a number as opposed to a performance.  Numbers don't tell the whole story.

See I think numbers usually do tell the whole story, and have told the story about eastern teams over the last 10 years.  I think d3football has become an offensive game, and especially a quarterbacks game. 

[lewdogg11]

Oh sorry cland.  I probably should mention that 15>11.

And next run in kickball wins.

[MSU Pride]

Roach is from Verona...

[clandfan]

In your opinion....that is much better and I can accept that.   I respectfully disagree but recognize your right to have an opinion. 

In my opinion a dominating performance does not have to be reflected in the score and offense is only part of the game.  Montclair's defense ( as has Cortland's) has dominated games.  They don't need to score 40 or 50 points more than another team to dominate and for the majority of the NJAC schedule they have.  Same with Cortland....three shutouts in a row over poor teams.  Up by 28 points at halftime.  They pull their QB and skilled players in the second half.  That's not dominant?  In my opinion....you are placing too much emphasis on a number as opposed to a performance.  Numbers don't tell the whole story.

See I think numbers usually do tell the whole story, and have told the story about eastern teams over the last 10 years.  I think d3football has become an offensive game, and especially a quarterbacks game. 

So...I take it that you were either a QB, WR or TE.  Ithaca likes to spread things out at times...uses their TE alot...i get it, you like offense.  You also don't like pitcher's duels in baseball.  You want to see the ball flying out of the park.

I saw Cortland beat  Montclair 10-9.  The offenses struggled because of amazing defense...not because they sucked.  It was one of the most exciting football games that I have ever seen at any level...and...I think that both of those defenses can compete at a national level.  

Look at SJF....great QB and can throw the ball all over the place but without a great defense...just about everyone they play is in the game.

It's a matter of preference.  Truly great teams will dominate on both sides of the ball and you may be right that NJAC or E8 doesn't have that team but to blanketly say they can't compete because they don't beat someone by 50 points is naive.

Go enjoy your offense.  Leave the analysis to the professionals like....ahem...Rossi or Coleman. and stop pulling numbers out of your head with no basis.  

[Jonny Utah]

In your opinion....that is much better and I can accept that.   I respectfully disagree but recognize your right to have an opinion. 

In my opinion a dominating performance does not have to be reflected in the score and offense is only part of the game.  Montclair's defense ( as has Cortland's) has dominated games.  They don't need to score 40 or 50 points more than another team to dominate and for the majority of the NJAC schedule they have.  Same with Cortland....three shutouts in a row over poor teams.  Up by 28 points at halftime.  They pull their QB and skilled players in the second half.  That's not dominant?  In my opinion....you are placing too much emphasis on a number as opposed to a performance.  Numbers don't tell the whole story.

See I think numbers usually do tell the whole story, and have told the story about eastern teams over the last 10 years.  I think d3football has become an offensive game, and especially a quarterbacks game. 

So...I take it that you were either a QB, WR or TE.  Ithaca likes to spread things out at times...uses their TE alot...i get it, you like offense.  You also don't like pitcher's duels in baseball.  You want to see the ball flying out of the park.

I saw Cortland beat  Montclair 10-9.  The offenses struggled because of amazing defense...not because they sucked.  It was one of the most exciting football games that I have ever seen at any level...and...I think that both of those defenses can compete at a national level.  

Look at SJF....great QB and can throw the ball all over the place but without a great defense...just about everyone they play is in the game.

It's a matter of preference.  Truly great teams will dominate on both sides of the ball and you may be right that NJAC or E8 doesn't have that team but to blanketly say they can't compete because they don't beat someone by 50 points is naive.

Go enjoy your offense.  Leave the analysis to the professionals like....ahem...Rossi or Coleman. and stop pulling numbers out of your head with no basis.  

It has nothing to do with what I like or don't like.  You want numbers?  Here are the last 17 championship games:

34-24 Rowan 7,304
1994 Albion 38-15 Washington and Jefferson 7,168
1995 UW-La Crosse 36-7 Rowan 4,905
1996 Mount Union 56-24 Rowan 5,048
1997 Mount Union 61-12 Lycoming 5,777
1998 Mount Union 44-24 Rowan 5,145
1999 Pacific Lutheran 42-13 Rowan 4,101
2000 Mount Union 10-7 St. John's 4,436
2001 Mount Union 30-27 Bridgewater (Va.) 7,992
2002 Mount Union 48-7 Trinity (Texas) 4,398
2003 St. John's 24-6 Mount Union 5,073
2004 Linfield 28-21 Mary Hardin-Baylor 3,240
2005 Mount Union 35-28 UW-Whitewater 4,619
2006 Mount Union 35-16 UW-Whitewater 6,051
2007 UW-Whitewater 31-21 Mount Union 5,099
2008 Mount Union 31-26 UW-Whitewater 5,344
2009 UW-Whitewater 38-28

Do you see any patterns here?  Maybe some high scoring games?  Ever look at these teams regular seasons?  They all score a lot of points and they all blow out a lot of teams. 

[Jonny Utah]

And do you notice anything difference between d1 football now and d1 football back in the 1980s?  Offenses have changes and are putting up record points.

And Ithaca has nothing to do with it.  In 1994, Ithaca made the final 4 with defense, not offense.  We were also one play away from going to the Stagg on a defensive play.  I don't care about Ithacas offense or defense.

[theoriginalupstate]

Look at SJF....great QB and can throw the ball all over the place but without a great defense...just about everyone they play is in the game. 

Just about everyone?

And you're calling out Johnny for pulling things out of his ass.