FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[JT]

I would suggest that people look at Mount Union's results in 2007 and 2008.  It probably influences voter decisions this year.  The East needs to play better in the playoffs. 

Three weeks is a long time.  Someone will emerge as the "favorite". Maybe even two teams will emerge.

[Boxer7806]

Lets hope for the East sake TWO teams will.

[Knightstalker]

Saturdays game at Kean will tell a lot about the region.  I think either the NJAC winner or the MAC winner will be the top seeded team from the East come playoff time.  Of course they may not be number 1 but that is a different story for a different day.

[JT]

Saturdays game at Kean will tell a lot about the region.  I think either the NJAC winner or the MAC winner will be the top seeded team from the East come playoff time.  Of course they may not be number 1 but that is a different story for a different day.

I'm just going to enjoy each game.  I hope the weather is decent this Saturday.

[rams1102]

With just eight votes, Cortland isn't even on "most of the voters" ballots.

I was trying to see if 1102 would explain himself. Oh well. I certainly more than explained why people are not falling all over Rowan like the denizens of a few message boards are.

My question is a simple one, how did Cortland get 8 votes with 2 losses?

[RedDragonFan]

With just eight votes, Cortland isn't even on "most of the voters" ballots.

I was trying to see if 1102 would explain himself. Oh well. I certainly more than explained why people are not falling all over Rowan like the denizens of a few message boards are.

My question is a simple one, how did Cortland get 8 votes with 2 losses?

It's probably a simple answer.  The polls are not very scientific and there's a great deal of subjectivity in them.  Cortland was ranked in the top 25 at the start of the season, fell out completely and is still getting votes based maybe on that???  One could also argue that while most wrote the team off after losing Pitcher, including myself to some degree, they are managing to pull off a reasonably successful season anyway.  Yes they lost two...one to Monclair which could have easily gone the other way and the other to Kean.  Who knows why they are still getting 8 votes.  8 votes under "all other votes" is totally meaningless anyway isn't it?  For that matter, the poll in general is meaningless if you think about it.  Nice to have something like it to spur conversation and debate much like we are now doing!  I really think it's left over votes if you will from the fact that they were ranked at the seasons start.

[PBR...]

With just eight votes, Cortland isn't even on "most of the voters" ballots.

I was trying to see if 1102 would explain himself. Oh well. I certainly more than explained why people are not falling all over Rowan like the denizens of a few message boards are.

My question is a simple one, how did Cortland get 8 votes with 2 losses?

why dont you list your top 25 here like pat asked? by all means pat can defend himself on this but he did answer your question....

[lewdogg11]

With just eight votes, Cortland isn't even on "most of the voters" ballots.

I was trying to see if 1102 would explain himself. Oh well. I certainly more than explained why people are not falling all over Rowan like the denizens of a few message boards are.

My question is a simple one, how did Cortland get 8 votes with 2 losses?

why dont you list your top 25 here like pat asked? by all means pat can defend himself on this but he did answer your question....

We've talked about this before.  Pollsters don't like making major changes from their early projections.  I think it is an ego thing...but, a lot of them had Cortland pretty high early on, so they've dropped them slower rather than replacing them with the other potentially more deserving NJAC teams.

[Pat Coleman]

Cortland was ranked in the top 25 at the start of the season, fell out completely and is still getting votes based maybe on that??? 

Or there are people who are now looking at Rowan being 6-1 and blowing the doors off of people and thinking, well, shoot, Cortland beat these guys so maybe I should have them on my ballot somewhere, too.

And yes, we're talking about eight points out of 6,125.

[msupenguin22]

catchball, Fast Freddie, and msupenguin,

Need some insight into this Montclair Bull S#%t. What the heck is going on. The Red Hawks are coached like a tenyeared professor. They know they have jobs for life and do what ever they want. Do they want to be champions or want to be's. I get the impression that Giancola and O'Conner just do not have a clue. I'm sorry bur Fisher is not the guy and not a team player. He appears to be all about himself. How in in the would do you expect to beat Rowan and Kean the way things are going. This all appears to be like politics, "I know what you need and do as I say". Please wake up and smell the roses. There is no guarantee we can beat W.Conn. There is still time, don't let it slip away.

I normally don't like to rip college players, especially on MSU since the vast majority of the players not only hard, but are great people off the field, but Tom Fischer is a selfish punk. Example, the starting defense was being introduced before the Cortland game, but rather than stand with the team, Fischer was on the OPPOSITE side of the sideline, standing alone. He doesn't seem to have chemistry with the rest of the team and really seems to lack any heart. That's what bothers me the most, his lack of heart. I'll take a player with less than talent but actually cares about the team and the game over him any day of the week.


I simply don't know what to expect the upcoming weeks. I am very concerned for the upcoming games against Rowan and Kean, I just don't see us pulling out wins. I should be at all three remaining games this season so I should be able to give some more insight on things.

[hammond5]

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[clandfan]

I don't understand why you think Rowan is deserving of votes but the only team which beat Rowan isn't.

The circumstances revolving around Cortland have changed dramatically since that game.  Nevertheless, I'm doubting most of the voters really know that.  

I think PG has nailed it right on the head along with Pat's point that those who ARE noticing Rowan now see that they lost to Cortland.  I take exception to Rams 1102 basically saying that Rowan and Cortland shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.  Cortland WAS the winner in that game and rather soundly.  If we would have been healthy going into Montclair we would have won that game too.  The Cortland team that beat Rowan is a better team than Montclair.  In the end, Montclair won't be within 20 points of either Rowan or Kean.  So yes, we were ranked quite high early.  We beat a good Rowan team and injuries that most pollsters don't know about make us a different team now.  That's why we still get votes. 

Have you considered the fact Montclair was beaten by Wilkes 37-10?  A team that is 4-3?
How about the fact that their 6 wins are against teams with a combined 16-26 record.

I will stick to my earlier observation that the NJAC is not as good as we like to think. There are two good teams in Rowan and Kean and a Cortland if they were healthy but they aren't so I will drop them.  Next you have Montclair and Cortland and...maybe, TCNJ.  The rest are just bad.  Beat Rowan or Kean and you will get votes but I think both those games will be over at halftime.

[dlippiel]

I don't understand why you think Rowan is deserving of votes but the only team which beat Rowan isn't.

The circumstances revolving around Cortland have changed dramatically since that game.  Nevertheless, I'm doubting most of the voters really know that.  

I think PG has nailed it right on the head along with Pat's point that those who ARE noticing Rowan now see that they lost to Cortland.  I take exception to Rams 1102 basically saying that Rowan and Cortland shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.  Cortland WAS the winner in that game and rather soundly.  If we would have been healthy going into Montclair we would have won that game too.  The Cortland team that beat Rowan is a better team than Montclair.  In the end, Montclair won't be within 20 points of either Rowan or Kean.  So yes, we were ranked quite high early.  We beat a good Rowan team and injuries that most pollsters don't know about make us a different team now.  That's why we still get votes. 

Have you considered the fact Montclair was beaten by Wilkes 37-10?  A team that is 4-3?
How about the fact that their 6 wins are against teams with a combined 16-26 record.

I will stick to my earlier observation that the NJAC is not as good as we like to think. There are two good teams in Rowan and Kean and a Cortland if they were healthy but they aren't so I will drop them.  Next you have Montclair and Cortland and...maybe, TCNJ.  The rest are just bad.  Beat Rowan or Kean and you will get votes but I think both those games will be over at halftime.

If Rowan played Cortland today, hypothetically with Picher playing, dlip feels the Dragons would get draggoned (if you will) to the toolshed by the Profs something ****in serious.

[theoriginalupstate]

I don't understand why you think Rowan is deserving of votes but the only team which beat Rowan isn't.

The circumstances revolving around Cortland have changed dramatically since that game.  Nevertheless, I'm doubting most of the voters really know that.  

I think PG has nailed it right on the head along with Pat's point that those who ARE noticing Rowan now see that they lost to Cortland.  I take exception to Rams 1102 basically saying that Rowan and Cortland shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.  Cortland WAS the winner in that game and rather soundly.  If we would have been healthy going into Montclair we would have won that game too.  The Cortland team that beat Rowan is a better team than Montclair.  In the end, Montclair won't be within 20 points of either Rowan or Kean.  So yes, we were ranked quite high early.  We beat a good Rowan team and injuries that most pollsters don't know about make us a different team now.  That's why we still get votes. 

Have you considered the fact Montclair was beaten by Wilkes 37-10?  A team that is 4-3?
How about the fact that their 6 wins are against teams with a combined 16-26 record.

I will stick to my earlier observation that the NJAC is not as good as we like to think. There are two good teams in Rowan and Kean and a Cortland if they were healthy but they aren't so I will drop them.  Next you have Montclair and Cortland and...maybe, TCNJ.  The rest are just bad.  Beat Rowan or Kean and you will get votes but I think both those games will be over at halftime.

You're acting like Rowan was at full strength vs Cortland...

[clandfan]

I don't understand why you think Rowan is deserving of votes but the only team which beat Rowan isn't.

The circumstances revolving around Cortland have changed dramatically since that game.  Nevertheless, I'm doubting most of the voters really know that.  

I think PG has nailed it right on the head along with Pat's point that those who ARE noticing Rowan now see that they lost to Cortland.  I take exception to Rams 1102 basically saying that Rowan and Cortland shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.  Cortland WAS the winner in that game and rather soundly.  If we would have been healthy going into Montclair we would have won that game too.  The Cortland team that beat Rowan is a better team than Montclair.  In the end, Montclair won't be within 20 points of either Rowan or Kean.  So yes, we were ranked quite high early.  We beat a good Rowan team and injuries that most pollsters don't know about make us a different team now.  That's why we still get votes. 

Have you considered the fact Montclair was beaten by Wilkes 37-10?  A team that is 4-3?
How about the fact that their 6 wins are against teams with a combined 16-26 record.

I will stick to my earlier observation that the NJAC is not as good as we like to think. There are two good teams in Rowan and Kean and a Cortland if they were healthy but they aren't so I will drop them.  Next you have Montclair and Cortland and...maybe, TCNJ.  The rest are just bad.  Beat Rowan or Kean and you will get votes but I think both those games will be over at halftime.

If Rowan played Cortland today, hypothetically with Picher playing, dlip feels the Dragons would get draggoned (if you will) to the toolshed by the Profs something ****in serious.

You guys are right about one thing...it's  hypothetical!  You also assume that Cortland hasn't improved over the last 6 weeks which is simply false.  The team continues to improve and I will put our defense up against Rowan's offense with Frank W this time and it would still be a good matchup but we simply are not the same offensively. 

You can't say I haven't given Rowan my props.  It's between them and Kean and I look forward to that match-up.  Regardless of it all, I still look at our week 2 and see a W over Rowan...and that's not hypothetical.