FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

In fairness, I can't find much difference between any of the teams from #15 to #25.  It's understandable how 1 win or loss can catapult a team 10+ spots.

C'mon Dan...this late in the season?  Why bother with a poll at all if it is that tenuous in week 9.  They dropped 13 spots?  It is a slap in the face to NJAC and Cortland in particular...Cortland beat them....they must really suck.  The poll is what sucks.

Clandfan: Welcome to D3football.com. Feel free to put your own national poll of 25 voters together if you don't like this one. You'll find this job isn't easy. Move outside the East Region boards and you will see many people seeing what Dan said.

I don't think too many people were going to put three NJAC teams in the Top 25. That's the bottom line. Look at the point totals: Rowan 62, Cortland State 62, Montclair State 51. Splitting the NJAC vote, yes? I don't think the NJAC has enough national cred the last few years to demand three Top 25 teams, and with a three-way split there isn't enough support.

[clandfan]

Sorry Pat, I didn't realize there was a quota for NJAC teams.  C'mon...9th week of the season and a team drops out from 14th with a 1 pt loss?? 

I can appreciate the difficulty and you do a tremendous job with this site but as far as I am concerned the poll is biased and has lost much credibility.  Just my opinion and I am sure you will lose lots of sleep over it.

[MSU Pride]

BS!!!!!!!!! LOST BY 1 EFFING POINT TO THE NUMBER ONE RANKED SCORING DEFENSE IN THE COUNTRY

[rams1102]

Pat, I agree with clandfan thay you do a tremendous job, but I also agree with clandfan and MSU Pride that this last Poll was a very bad one. No sense to go over what was already said. What has me scared is that the NCAA will be looking at this Poll (which is the best) and I am afraid that if Montclair runs the table they will at best get a ECAC. I also realize that the Poll has nothing to do with the NCAA, but let's be honest, it probably does in some way.

[clandfan]

In fairness, I can't find much difference between any of the teams from #15 to #25.  It's understandable how 1 win or loss can catapult a team 10+ spots.

C'mon Dan...this late in the season?  Why bother with a poll at all if it is that tenuous in week 9.  They dropped 13 spots?  It is a slap in the face to NJAC and Cortland in particular...Cortland beat them....they must really suck.  The poll is what sucks.

Clandfan: Welcome to D3football.com. Feel free to put your own national poll of 25 voters together if you don't like this one. You'll find this job isn't easy. Move outside the East Region boards and you will see many people seeing what Dan said.

I don't think too many people were going to put three NJAC teams in the Top 25. That's the bottom line. Look at the point totals: Rowan 62, Cortland State 62, Montclair State 51. Splitting the NJAC vote, yes? I don't think the NJAC has enough national cred the last few years to demand three Top 25 teams, and with a three-way split there isn't enough support.

Pat: why is it that NJAC has lost National credibility in the last few years?  Is it because TCNJ lost to Mount Union in the Second round in 2007, or because Cortland lost to Mount Union in the Third round in 2008 or is it because Montclair lost to Mount Union in the Second round last year? 

[MSU Pride]

couldn't agree more Clandsfan,  Please riddle me that...I am sorry and this isn't sour grapes for MSU losing to Corltand but cmon!!! Really?? Out of the top 25?

I wouldn't give up hope yet Rams, when I was a freshmen in 2001, MSU was ranked 3rd in the Country and Rowan was I believe 5. We went down to Rowan for the conference championship and got smoked like 55-21 not only did we get in, we got a home game against Ithaca.



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[RedDragonFan]

Dropping out is wrong IMHO too. That said, I do believe that the NJAC doesn't have the credibility it deserves and that the dropping of MSU out of the top 25 is evidence of that and the fact that I think the pollsters were not overly confident in having MSU as high as it was.  I don't agree with any of this personally, but it's the only reasonably logical explanation.
I was betting that they would drop on the list, with the operative word being "on".

[clandfan]

Dropping out is wrong IMHO too. That said, I do believe that the NJAC doesn't have the credibility it deserves and that the dropping of MSU out of the top 25 is evidence of that and the fact that I think the pollsters were not overly confident in having MSU as high as it was.  I don't agree with any of this personally, but it's the only reasonably logical explanation.
I was betting that they would drop on the list, with the operative word being "on".

Well that is the excuse, isn't it?...I would argue that the poll had Cortland ranked to low.  Cortland wins...pollsters feel they can't rank Montclair higher than Cortland. Rowan beat Cortland and pollster's long term memory is never good so forget about the fact that Montclair beat Rowan soundly...so Montclair drops.  There is an anti-East bias...all you have to do is look at Pat's ATN headline. " East Implodes?"  Give me a break.  And Rams...you are right, Pat's pen is sharper than he gives himself credit for.  d3football.com is THE football source and don't think for a minute that what is published on this site doesn't have influence somewhere.

Pat..I apologize...this is not a personal attack.  This is your site and you can say what you want...It is my opinion that the East is judged unfairly.  With that being said...thank you for your time and efforts on behalf of Division III football.

[Pat Coleman]

In fairness, I can't find much difference between any of the teams from #15 to #25.  It's understandable how 1 win or loss can catapult a team 10+ spots.

C'mon Dan...this late in the season?  Why bother with a poll at all if it is that tenuous in week 9.  They dropped 13 spots?  It is a slap in the face to NJAC and Cortland in particular...Cortland beat them....they must really suck.  The poll is what sucks.

Clandfan: Welcome to D3football.com. Feel free to put your own national poll of 25 voters together if you don't like this one. You'll find this job isn't easy. Move outside the East Region boards and you will see many people seeing what Dan said.

I don't think too many people were going to put three NJAC teams in the Top 25. That's the bottom line. Look at the point totals: Rowan 62, Cortland State 62, Montclair State 51. Splitting the NJAC vote, yes? I don't think the NJAC has enough national cred the last few years to demand three Top 25 teams, and with a three-way split there isn't enough support.

Pat: why is it that NJAC has lost National credibility in the last few years?  Is it because TCNJ lost to Mount Union in the Second round in 2007, or because Cortland lost to Mount Union in the Third round in 2008 or is it because Montclair lost to Mount Union in the Second round last year? 

It's not who you lost to. Who'd you beat?

[Pat Coleman]

couldn't agree more Clandsfan,  Please riddle me that...I am sorry and this isn't sour grapes for MSU losing to Corltand but cmon!!! Really?? Out of the top 25?

I wouldn't give up hope yet Rams, when I was a freshmen in 2001, MSU was ranked 3rd in the Country and Rowan was I believe 5. We went down to Rowan for the conference championship and got smoked like 55-21 not only did we get in, we got a home game against Ithaca.



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Two thoughts here: 2001 was a long time ago and Montclair lost that home game against Ithaca. I remember well because I was there.

[Pat Coleman]

And Rams...you are right, Pat's pen is sharper than he gives himself credit for.  d3football.com is THE football source and don't think for a minute that what is published on this site doesn't have influence somewhere.

Pat..I apologize...this is not a personal attack.  This is your site and you can say what you want...It is my opinion that the East is judged unfairly.  With that being said...thank you for your time and efforts on behalf of Division III football.

I appreciate your wanting to give us credit but if you have watched the NCAA ranking and selection process over the past few years it is clear they don't give a you-know-what what we say.

[JT]

It's really something JT.  The only problem is that "Cortaca" has taken on a life of its own.  It's almost become like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.  People go because it's the thing to do, but nobody remembers what happened in the movie.

One of these days I'd like to see RPI-Union too, and travel to Salem for the national championship.

I've got a few I want to see Cortaca, The Shoes, The Secretaries Cup, one of the big Texas games, a Rowan Stagg win... off the top of my head.

[JT]

Dropping out is wrong IMHO too. That said, I do believe that the NJAC doesn't have the credibility it deserves and that the dropping of MSU out of the top 25 is evidence of that and the fact that I think the pollsters were not overly confident in having MSU as high as it was.  I don't agree with any of this personally, but it's the only reasonably logical explanation.
I was betting that they would drop on the list, with the operative word being "on".

Well that is the excuse, isn't it?...I would argue that the poll had Cortland ranked to low.  Cortland wins...pollsters feel they can't rank Montclair higher than Cortland. Rowan beat Cortland and pollster's long term memory is never good so forget about the fact that Montclair beat Rowan soundly...so Montclair drops.  There is an anti-East bias...all you have to do is look at Pat's ATN headline. " East Implodes?"  Give me a break.  And Rams...you are right, Pat's pen is sharper than he gives himself credit for.  d3football.com is THE football source and don't think for a minute that what is published on this site doesn't have influence somewhere.

Pat..I apologize...this is not a personal attack.  This is your site and you can say what you want...It is my opinion that the East is judged unfairly.  With that being said...thank you for your time and efforts on behalf of Division III football.

I have all three teams pretty even, each has some things they do a little better than the other two.  Some areas are dead even.  I thought that after seeing all three teams in person that Montclair was overrated.

I have seen Rowan more often this year thanks to the webstreamed home games.  I can't speak to Cortland or Montclair improving over the season.  That said, Rowan is a much better team than the one that faced Montclair in game two of the season.  I think the coaches were wrong to pick the rookie QB out of camp.  He was missing Wr's like crazy against Montclair.  Hagerty has the experience and he is the play maker.  Coach Accorsi has said in pregame shows after Montclair that they've been adjusting the game plans better to the personnel ie., more power football and less spread. 

Plus I think other playmakers are emerging from the JV games.  Last week there was a Wes Welker type that grabbed six balls for over 100 yds. Where the heck did they find him? Why hasn't he been playing?

This is not your typical Rowan club.  They don't blow your doors off by halftime.  They are scrappy. They bend and don't break. They fight and they come from behind (four times and twice in the final seconds against Kean and Cortland).

Should all three win out, they should move up a little.  Should one or two perform well in the playoffs they'll move up more.  I think low 20's, high teens, is right where they all belong for now.

[clandfan]

In fairness, I can't find much difference between any of the teams from #15 to #25.  It's understandable how 1 win or loss can catapult a team 10+ spots.

C'mon Dan...this late in the season?  Why bother with a poll at all if it is that tenuous in week 9.  They dropped 13 spots?  It is a slap in the face to NJAC and Cortland in particular...Cortland beat them....they must really suck.  The poll is what sucks.

Clandfan: Welcome to D3football.com. Feel free to put your own national poll of 25 voters together if you don't like this one. You'll find this job isn't easy. Move outside the East Region boards and you will see many people seeing what Dan said.

I don't think too many people were going to put three NJAC teams in the Top 25. That's the bottom line. Look at the point totals: Rowan 62, Cortland State 62, Montclair State 51. Splitting the NJAC vote, yes? I don't think the NJAC has enough national cred the last few years to demand three Top 25 teams, and with a three-way split there isn't enough support.

Pat: why is it that NJAC has lost National credibility in the last few years?  Is it because TCNJ lost to Mount Union in the Second round in 2007, or because Cortland lost to Mount Union in the Third round in 2008 or is it because Montclair lost to Mount Union in the Second round last year? 

It's not who you lost to. Who'd you beat?

Well...4 Playoff teams to start with.  We have wins against each other.  If I am not mistaken, Montclair had wins against Wesley and Albright a few years ago (and got thumped by Cortland).  there are wins against Lycoming, Wilkes, Ursinus are a few that come to mind.  

With a 10 team league, I am curious who you think we should play?  We (Cortland) have lost 3 in a row to Ithaca...does that mean we are bad or are they good?  

If the "gold standard" is an undefeated team...that will be a rarity in the east.  There are more teams, there is more parity.  NCAA encourages regional competition but wants a National tournament.  Frank Rossi argues some excellent points to this end that I won't do justice to reiterate.   The deck is stacked against the east

[MSU Pride]

I just don't agree with any of this...First off, the point I was trying to make was, two teams got in from the NJAC before and they both deserved it!!! Regardless if they lost to Ithaca in the playoffs or not...This is an attack against the NJAC and Region, how can you rank MSU 13th, write a piece on the East Rising again, speak about the level of competition in the region with the amount of colleges in the area and no less then 48 hours later have MSU out of the top 25 by losing to a now ranked team and one of the top defenses in the Country by 1 point, who by the way drove down the field in a min for a chance to win the game on a 30 yard field goal...And in addition rank a Rowan team who MSU beat convincingly...

I try not to be biased because I played at Montclair or in the NJAC, I think the level of competition is higher in the NJAC now then it has ever been....Four solid hard hitting very well coached teams in Kean, Cortland, Rowan and MSU which was not the case a few years back. I am not making excuses for Montclair's loss, but I will say this, to go undefeated in the NJAC is one hell of a accomplishment, to have one loss in the NJAC should not hamper or discredit the level of competition, I think it should be looked as the complete opposite...


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